As OP I can say - no, I a not an employee of an electricoutboard company nor a seller of such products.
Instead, I care about conservation of the pristine waters we all love. However many of us prefer to save their money or boost their ego at the cost of this beautiful environment.
I don't know.
Sounds like just another" crusade of virtue" to me.
When ocean sized container ships burning millions of gallons of the dirtiest nastiest bunker fuel cease operation.
And all aircraft burning untold amounts of aviation fuel quit flying.
I'll be more easily convinced that it'll make a damn bit of difference.
Until then, fill er' up !
I don't know.
Sounds like just another" crusade of virtue" to me.
When ocean sized container ships burning millions of gallons of the dirtiest nastiest bunker fuel cease operation.
And all aircraft burning untold amounts of aviation fuel quit flying.
I'll be more easily convinced that it'll make a damn bit of difference.
Until then, fill er' up !
Sigh. Logically, what you are saying is "Unless everyone who pollutes worse than me stops, then I will continue, because what's the use" - so typically myopic.
Has it occurred to you that you are not alone? Maybe the efforts of 1 person does not seem like it will have impact, but what about 10,000 of you? Or 10 million? Kind of makes you go Hmmmmm. No?
(why do I bother)
PS. I am not advocating electric outboards for anyone, just saying this attitude is a problem because it prevents people from making any effort out of the misconception that it is futile.
Canada exports over 2.5 billion in clean hydro to US annually. It had an increase when our metals got attacked by sheer coincidence. Apparently the US resale it for over 50B dunno for sure.
Get your city to join green roof initiative. Ontario has lots of dead silver mines. The scrap ore is lithium. Windsor is building a battery plant to supply Detroit and Ontario’s electric cars. Boats will catch up. No shame game in the mean time.
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Re: Outboards are incredibly polluting - WOW
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The US power grid is about 20% from coal, 41% from carbon-free generation, and 39% from natural gas. So it is hardly fair or accurate to say that coal is prevalent.
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Nature has evolved to consume hydrocarbons so the relatively small amount introduced by the use of 2 stroke outboards is fairly rapidly consumed at the bottom of the food chain. A far larger problem is the introduction of microplastics which nature has not evolved to consume and transform.
The banning of the sale of smaller 2 stroke outboards which are generally only used for short voyages is just another case of practically useless virtue signalling.
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I am currently on anchor 1/2 a mile from the nearest dock, 1 mile from the nearest market and there is about 20 knots blowing most days.
I have also been in places where the anchorage is 5 miles away from the check-in or town across a strait with 3 knots of current.
Charging a bank of 4 trolling motors doesn't cut the mustard.
Skip the galley up debate see how the wife likes getting soaked for hours at a time and not being to use the hairdrier when back on board.
Cost is not the issue as someone said earlier when an e-motor can compete on like for like terms then we would all be buying them.
When making statements you have to take account of circumstances that may not be common to you.
I could care less if anybody uses a outboardmotor for they’re tender , personally they’re heavy require maintenance and I prefer not to have one but that’s just me , whatever floats your boat as they say , The older i get the simpler i want things to be no big large battery banks for me , if I can row a boat and not deal with an outboard and all that goes with it all the better , No hairdryer for me either power hogs , maybe I should start a thread the things that you think you need but really don’t just my opinion
Sigh. Logically, what you are saying is "Unless everyone who pollutes worse than me stops, then I will continue, because what's the use" - so typically myopic.
Has it occurred to you that you are not alone? Maybe the efforts of 1 person does not seem like it will have impact, but what about 10,000 of you? Or 10 million? Kind of makes you go Hmmmmm. No?
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To your first question- yeah, kinda.im just trying to get along, not out to destroy the universe, my contribution to the fossil fuels pollution is Sooo infantessibly small that it's likely immeasurable.
Where as the negative impact upon my quality of life, and I'm no Rothschild, would be considerably negative, even immediately life-threatening. So, sticking with the diesel and gas thing.
And to your last comment,
Ever try hearding cat's?
I'm thinking, seeing recent actions of " humanity" as of late, and somewhat aware of the last,oh, 2000+ years of written history, people often don't work well together,or like to single out portions of humanity for bad trretment.
So, Best of luck getting a few millions to sacrafice their already scetchy " comforts" when all around them excesses and extreme wealth is heralded and lauded.
Probably not going to happen.
But,I could be mistaken.
Nature has evolved to consume hydrocarbons so the relatively small amount introduced by the use of 2 stroke outboards is fairly rapidly consumed at the bottom of the food chain. A far larger problem is the introduction of microplastics which nature has not evolved to consume and transform.
The banning of the sale of smaller 2 stroke outboards which are generally only used for short voyages is just another case of practically useless virtue signalling.
Sounds accurate.
Those pieces of plastic are sure going to be around for awhile.
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They are fun to watch if you had too much rum. They are made from recycled plastic. An inner cylinder drops down and suck water into the plastic basket. Little bits of plastic float across open slips to get sucked in while your ice melts and waters down the rum too much.
If you like watching grass grow this is a spectator sport for you. But they work save ducks fish turtles swans herons and those wonderful Canadian geese as well as boat intakes.
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I drive an electric car, have two electric chain saws, one electric lawn mower, and a dinghy mainly powered by sails and oars and an electric motor. I have an ICE outboard for it too, so what.
The many cruisers who seek out two-stroke outboards and purchase them in countries that still tolerate their sale have much to answer for. The unburned hydrocarbon emissions from them are considerable, in excess of 10x those of current production 4-stroke outboards, at full throttle, over 20x at idle. In essence you're pumping half the gasoline you run through the motor right into the ocean.
At this point in time, electric propulsion is not a feasible alternative for people who want a motor in the 10-15 horsepower range. At 2-3 hp there is the Torqueedo and a few others but for various reasons still not a feasible alternative for most people.
I have a 3hp motor but am still trying to decide if it's useful.
I like solar, I like electric, but I doubt if the emissions from smaller boats with (modern) ICE outboards are a significant part of the problem.
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I am currently on anchor 1/2 a mile from the nearest dock, 1 mile from the nearest market and there is about 20 knots blowing most days.
Wow, you are very close to the market, it is 10 miles from me. With 20 knot of wind you have good power! The e-motor is for use when there isnt much wind to sail, so it doesn't drain your batteries by a noticeable amount. A 20-30 watt panel is enough to keep up with this. I have used electric on my dinghy with 4 knot speed using 22 amps using 1988 trolling motor I bought it for $50.
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I have also been in places where the anchorage is 5 miles away from the check-in or town across a strait with 3 knots of current.
Where exactly? Why dont you sail to the town to check in if its 5 miles away?
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Charging a bank of 4 trolling motors doesn't cut the mustard.
you said 4. no one else ever said 4.
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Skip the galley up debate see how the wife likes getting soaked for hours at a time and not being to use the hairdrier when back on board.
extreme and unrealistic exaggeration. Getting soaked for hours?? Isnt the slower dingy usually drier?
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