Outboards are incredibly polluting - WOW

[Bowdrie]

Originally Posted by Free2Sail

Clearly, the solution is to make everyone in the world a Finn.

In the earlier days of "mass" construction of wooden buildings and, (primarily,) ships, there were various "gangs/guilds" that specialized in certain aspects of the total construction, framing, foundation, siding, roofing, planking, rigging, caulking etc.
These "gangs" travelled around between shipyards as each vessel reached some stage of construction.
Construction companies and shipbuilders generally had very few more-or-less permanent employees, various phases were subbed-out.
Amongst all the ethnic groups that had large migration numbers, the Finns blended into the groups that did the sills, thresholds, trim, baseboards, etc., the smaller more precise jobs if you will.
They became the Finish Carpenters, who "Finished" the project.
Now you know the rest of the story.
D**n, I forgot to use the word "outboard" in my rant, oh well, never mind, I'll use it twice in the next one.

[Free2Sail]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Finland isn't that big, so I don't think this would work out very well. But we can certainly adopt some of their better ideas. They have a pretty good track record.

Sure, Finns invented Linux, the internet browser, and the sauna, but did they invent the electric outboard? No, only the electric sail...
Finland has some of the lowest population density (#215) in the world, so even if everyone moved to Finland, they'd be not that far off Monaco, Singapore, and Hong Kong in density. As these are some of the richest places in the world and so is Finland, obviously this would make everyone rich and save the planet, too. Finland's fertility rate is 1.44, so this would also reduce the world's population long-term. Win-win-win. Saunas to high-rises... Also, I hear winter sailing in the Baltic is great...

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by Free2Sail

Sure, Finns invented Linux, the internet browser, and the sauna, but did they invent the electric outboard? No, only the electric sail...
Finland has some of the lowest population density (#215) in the world, so even if everyone moved to Finland, they'd be not that far off Monaco, Singapore, and Hong Kong in density. As these are some of the richest places in the world and so is Finland, obviously this would make everyone rich and save the planet, too. Finland's fertility rate is 1.44, so this would also reduce the world's population long-term. Win-win-win. Saunas to high-rises... Also, I hear winter sailing in the Baltic is great...

You got all that right except for winter sailing. The Gulf of Finland was frozen this winter. So only on an ice boat.

[Moontide]

Not exactly an independent / non-biased test.



And the comments about air pollution are accurate (even solar is not pollution free, just all concentrated in the manufacturing end of them).


But, solar definitely has its place on boats. Love never having to fire up a generator or engine for electricity.

[Rumrace]

You forgot to mention Baltic nauticat and Swan on the Finnish no so outboard rant.
Boring boats anyway

[Wotname]

Thread closed awaiting a mod review, it might or might not reopen.

[noelex 77]

Thread open. Please stay on topic.

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by Free2Sail

This whole discussion has devolved into posturing by smug Westerners with first-world problems ("which outboard to buy for my yacht's tender to feel most morally superior?"). Sure, we should all go vegan and remove our sailboat's engine to make a point, too.

You are making suppositions about the motivations of all posting here and casting aspersions on them without addressing the merits of their arguments.

Originally Posted by Free2Sail

And all started by a post that should've been in the classified/vendor section because it was clearly a disguised ad for epropulsion. When electric outboards become super reliable, cost closer to $1K instead of $3-5K, have more than a 5-mile range in adverse real-world conditions, and don't take 10 hours to recharge, you will not have to use "save the world" arguments to sell them. Folks will be lining up to buy e-outboards when they are superior to gas outboards. I'll buy one - I don't love pull-starting, messing with the carb, and the noise.

If you have evidence that the member posting the video was an employee please flag the post (triangle icon bottom right on posts and top right on PMs) and state you evidence there to the mods.

If there’s no evidence that the OP was an employee then the post is fine here.

[Rumrace]

I’d like to be an uppity westerner but newfoundlanders keep calling me an Upper Canadian. I get no respect I tell ya.

[Baby tug]

It was said Electric motor was too expensive , How about a cheap trolling motor that’s not powerful enough use two

[JoetheCobbler]

If I dumped every oil change of every internal combustion engine I ever operated onto the ground, it wouldn't amount to a fraction of a minute percentage of a sampling of the amount discharged from the operation of a single Bunker fueled cargo ship starting their main engine and running for a single day.
As for the CO2 falsehood, well.
I'm exhaling endlessly, the plants love it.
And core samples reveal the CO2 levels of thousands of years ago much higher than today , and no icecap melting!
Leaving me to question the accuracy of many doomsday predictions.
So far,the world hasn't ended, even though certain strains of politicians predicted we'd be gone by now.
But they were all wrong.
As evidenced by our presence.
The sky isn't falling, chicken little.
And the world isn't giving up fossil fuel any time soon.

[Tupaia]

Originally Posted by Baby tug

It was said Electric motor was too expensive , How about a cheap trolling motor that’s not powerful enough use two

I am currently on anchor 1/2 a mile from the nearest dock, 1 mile from the nearest market and there is about 20 knots blowing most days.


I have also been in places where the anchorage is 5 miles away from the check-in or town across a strait with 3 knots of current.


Charging a bank of 4 trolling motors doesn't cut the mustard.


Skip the galley up debate see how the wife likes getting soaked for hours at a time and not being to use the hairdrier when back on board.


Cost is not the issue as someone said earlier when an e-motor can compete on like for like terms then we would all be buying them.


When making statements you have to take account of circumstances that may not be common to you.

[myocean]

Originally Posted by Adelie

If you have evidence that the member posting the video was an employee please flag the post (triangle icon bottom right on posts and top right on PMs) and state you evidence there to the mods.

As OP I can say - no, I a not an employee of an electric outboard company nor a seller of such products.
Instead, I care about conservation of the pristine waters we all love. However many of us prefer to save their money or boost their ego at the cost of this beautiful environment.

[MarkSF]

Originally Posted by Dockhead

MY grid, at least when I'm in Finland, is 90% carbon free, and will be 100% carbon free when the next big Finnish nuclear plant comes on line later this year. So if I were charging an electric outboard from the grid, that would certainly be a whole lot greener than an IC outboard.

But charging from a U.S. grid? Or German? Or Polish? Where coal is prevalent? I daresay that will be worse than burning petrol in a normal outboard. A coal power plant in normal operation, kills more people every year than were killed by Chernobyl whilst melting down, and even emits more radioactivity. The efficiency difference between large scale power generation and a small outboard, will not make up for this difference, if coal is a significant source of the grid power.

The US power grid is about 20% from coal, 41% from carbon-free generation, and 39% from natural gas. So it is hardly fair or accurate to say that coal is prevalent.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/...-and-sales.php

[myocean]

Originally Posted by MarkSF

The US power grid is about 20% from coal, 40% from carbon-free generation, and 40% from natural gas. So it is hardly fair or accurate to say that coal is prevalent.

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/...-and-sales.php

And Germanys electricity had a share of 30.2% coal power in 2021.
So, we can conclude that some people need to update their numbers.