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Old 28-01-2020, 01:51   #1
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Emergency rudder/Windvane vs ladder?

I want to mount a windvane, which also serve as emergency rudder. My problem is:



Does a Monitor or Aries have to be mounted in the center? I am afraid so, because it wouldn't make much use if heeling the "wrong way"...
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Re: Emergency rudder/Windvane vs ladder?

Most windvanes allow for some offset mounting. The install manuals will discuss it.
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Re: Emergency rudder/Windvane vs ladder?

Helped a friend install a hydrovane on his boat a month or so back. Exactly the same scenario as your boat.

No problems with the off-center install according to Hydrovane and heís had no problem with performance on either tack.
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Re: Emergency rudder/Windvane vs ladder?

Canít remember if the monitor can be used as an emergency rudder, but I donít think the Aries can.

Hydrovane does function as an emergency rudder.
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Re: Emergency rudder/Windvane vs ladder?

As I understand the Monitor can, might need some additional work though.

I'll check the instructions, but also happy to see examples. Removing the ladder is not completely off the table but I'd keep it if I can.
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Re: Emergency rudder/Windvane vs ladder?

Peter at Pacific Windpilot says just move the boarding ladder, he has a point as it opens up the options for which vane you can then choose.

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Peter at Pacific Windpilot says just move the boarding ladder, he has a point as it opens up the options for which vane you can then choose.

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The area behind a rudder is turbulent, propwash and rudder stream flow ..nothing wrong with offsetting your second rudder into clean water flow

Mounting offset could be complicated by the geometry of the windvane you choose

Your boarding ladder is a critical piece of safety equipment

Whatever you decide be sure that the function of the ladder is maintained
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I want to mount a windvane, which also serve as emergency rudder. My problem is:



Does a Monitor or Aries have to be mounted in the center? I am afraid so, because it wouldn't make much use if heeling the "wrong way"...
Cape Horn vanes can also be mounted off-center.
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Re: Emergency rudder/Windvane vs ladder?

I also have been thinking about this. In the past I travelled over 1,000 miles with a Windpilot. We boarded on the starboard side of the boat. Now I have the same problem with a new to me Wauquiez. If you move the ladder you run into the problem of the Stern pulpit in the way of boarding the boat. Also the vane. I am going to remove the ladder which we don’t use anyway. We still board on the starboard side. I drag a 50’ floating line with knots offshore.
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The area behind a rudder is turbulent, propwash and rudder stream flow ..nothing wrong with offsetting your second rudder into clean water flow

Mounting offset could be complicated by the geometry of the windvane you choose

Your boarding ladder is a critical piece of safety equipment

Whatever you decide be sure that the function of the ladder is maintained
When deciding on steering controls and especially emergency rudders.

Priorities, swim ladders are NOT a priority.
These can be removed and replaced with many other viable options, that will not affect the performance of emergency equipment.

Another thing to consider is the "what if" questions:
What if the rudder falls off, or is completely unusable.
Then I use my Emergency rudder, but what if that's not working or breaks as well.
Point is HAVE MORE THAN 1 redundant back up.
You have limited options, make more than 1 plan.
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Re: Emergency rudder/Windvane vs ladder?

I moved my sternladder off to the side to allow for the aries lift up mount to be installed about 4" to the other side from centerline and both seem to work fine
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Re: Emergency rudder/Windvane vs ladder?

I prefer to keep the wind vane on the midline of the boat as more protected by the keel/rudder from floating objects. On my Albin Vega I had a transom midline swimming ladder. I purchased a Pacific Light Windvane and Peter, the company owner, suggested to move the ladder to the port side, which I did. On my boat the pushpits have a midline entry to climb up into the boat. Now that I have the ladder on the port side, I climb into the cockpit passing over the port pushpit, which is not a problem. I am happy with the arrangement suggested by Peter. :-)

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The area behind a rudder is turbulent, propwash and rudder stream flow ..nothing wrong with offsetting your second rudder into clean water flow
How do you stop the blade coming out of the water when sailing to windward and the boat is leaning over, this is the reason for mounting on the centre line?


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Your boarding ladder is a critical piece of safety equipment. Whatever you decide be sure that the function of the ladder is maintained
Agreed, but the boarding ladder doesn't have to be on the centre line of the yacht.
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Re: Emergency rudder/Windvane vs ladder?

I believe the Monitor now makes a vane that hinges, so you can use the ladder. But I installed a Hydrovane on my boat, just enough off -center so I can use the stern boarding ladder. Not a problem.
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How do you stop the blade coming out of the water when sailing to windward?




Agreed, but the boarding ladder doesn't have to be on the centre line of the yacht.
Sure...you have some leeway when mounting the ladder

Be aware that the regulations state .....

“Protection from falling overboard and means of reboarding
Watercraft shall be designed to minimise the risks of falling overboard and to facilitate reboarding. “
Means of reboarding shall be accessible to or deployable by a person in the water unaided. “
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