Triple braid nylon splicing -is it possible / practical

[Seapig]

Good morning,
Is there a way to splice triple braid nylon line.


I have been trying to find a way to splice triple braid nylon line.

I have found one youtube describing a double cover dynema but the solution is to cut away the middle cover. Fine for dynema but for nylon one would essentially be cutting away a third of the strength of the line which seems to rather defeat the purpose of a splice. Additionally the center braid of the dynema is very loose and allows for the passage of the outer cover through the center and there is no way in this version of the time space continuum that that will work with the line I have. Camel through the eye of a needle type of proposition.
It may be that a knot may be the only practical solution but if a technique for a splice exists I would prefer that route.
If anyone can point me in the right direction it would be most appreciated.
thx

[SailingHarmonie]

Triple braid?

There is double braid nylon, and there is three strand nylon, but I know of no triple braid line.

If what you have is DOUBLE BRAID, this should show you the procedure:

https://www.samsonrope.com/docs/default-source/splice-instructions/dblbrd_c1_eye_splice_web.pdf?sfvrsn=3976dd6f_2

[s/v Jedi]

If splicing is impossible, you have other options, like sewing or seizing.

[thinwater]

I'd be very interested in know what the line is and what the intended use is. That might lead to a solution.

[Seapig]

Nope. Triple braid. Not triple strand. I had never heard of either. I ended up with it by accident. Seems strong and well made I just can't figure out any way to splice it.
I have tried to attach a photo showing each layer

[Seapig]

I have no specific use in mind. I ended up with a 600 foot roll and so far have used it as the main lines for the lazy jacks, tie down lines for the dingy and a couple of land based uses. Knots have worked fine but splices are just so much cooler, groovier and more aesthetically appealing.

[thinwater]

Originally Posted by Seapig

I have no specific use in mind. I ended up with a 600 foot roll and so far have used it as the main lines for the lazy jacks, tie down lines for the dingy and a couple of land based uses. Knots have worked fine but splices are just so much cooler, groovier and more aesthetically appealing.

From what I remember of the 70s, groovy was not always functional. But it seemed important.

[Knotical]

Originally Posted by Seapig

Nope. Triple braid. Not triple strand. I had never heard of either. I ended up with it by accident. Seems strong and well made I just can't figure out any way to splice it.
I have tried to attach a photo showing each layer

That is strange, I don't think I have seen or heard of a triple braided nylon rope.

I splice a fair amount of lines, including 12 strand single braid which I find the hardest, but looking at what you have I am not sure how it can be spliced.

I am sure Jedi or SWL or Benz will figure something out.

[pcmm]

What if you tried to splice it like double braid. Leave the Core inside the "middle core" and treat it like its just 1 core. Splice it like a regular double braid and then stitch it. Might be a bit more challenging to get the cover to go into the core.. but nothing to lose.

what are you using this for?

[thinwater]

A double braid splice is reliant on the cover and the core being equal in strength. An imbalance would weaken the splice. I don't know if keeping the 2 cores together would satisfy this. Maybe.



A simple check would be to weight equal lengths of each. That will roughly estimate the relative strengths.

[Seapig]

Any double braid splice that I am aware of requires the cover to be inserted into the core which is not possible in this case. As it stands I can just barely push my smallest fid up the center core hence my previous comment re camels and needles. I did try cutting out the core which sorta kinda worked but it sure wasn't elegant and I wouldn't want my life to depend on the integrity of the splice.

As to weight. I don't have a scale that is accurate enough to weigh small pieces and taking a big length apart is not practical.
I think one could estimate using a bunch of tricky math but I think the number of assumptions you would have to make would render the result rather suspect.
If I get really ambitious I guess I can count the number of fibers in each layer and the ratio might give me a workable number.

I gather no one has heard of this stuff before, can anyone hazard a guess as to what would be it's intended use? I don't know if it would be more or less elastic than double braid.

[pcmm]

Originally Posted by Seapig

Any double braid splice that I am aware of requires the cover to be inserted into the core which is not possible in this case. As it stands I can just barely push my smallest fid up the center core hence my previous comment re camels and needles. I did try cutting out the core which sorta kinda worked but it sure wasn't elegant and I wouldn't want my life to depend on the integrity of the splice.

As to weight. I don't have a scale that is accurate enough to weigh small pieces and taking a big length apart is not practical.
I think one could estimate using a bunch of tricky math but I think the number of assumptions you would have to make would render the result rather suspect.
If I get really ambitious I guess I can count the number of fibers in each layer and the ratio might give me a workable number.

I gather no one has heard of this stuff before, can anyone hazard a guess as to what would be it's intended use? I don't know if it would be more or less elastic than double braid.

Where did you get the Triple braid from?

[Kello]

Dang! Can't tell the diameter of the pieces from your pic, but if you are using it for lazy jacks it must be small diameter ... yes?

It looks so interesting I googled it, but all the returns were for twisted 3-strand.

Being that you are in the Caribbean, and from what I've heard the main reason to go there is to sail around to different bars and drink rum go to all the bars and offer a free drink to anyone who could spice it. Should be a lot of fun and only cost you one drink.

[thinwater]

Originally Posted by Seapig

Any double braid splice that I am aware of requires the cover to be inserted into the core which is not possible in this case. As it stands I can just barely push my smallest fid up the center core hence my previous comment re camels and needles. I did try cutting out the core which sorta kinda worked but it sure wasn't elegant and I wouldn't want my life to depend on the integrity of the splice.

As to weight. I don't have a scale that is accurate enough to weigh small pieces and taking a big length apart is not practical.
I think one could estimate using a bunch of tricky math but I think the number of assumptions you would have to make would render the result rather suspect.
If I get really ambitious I guess I can count the number of fibers in each layer and the ratio might give me a workable number.

I gather no one has heard of this stuff before, can anyone hazard a guess as to what would be it's intended use? I don't know if it would be more or less elastic than double braid.

A kitchen scale works.


In a similar vein, climbing rope is effectively impossible to splice because of the tightness of the cover weave. Not all ropes are designed for splicing. For example, the cover weave on yacht double braid is quite loose to allow it to b opened, compared to climbing an arborist ropes which have very tight covers to resist picking by splinters and rock crystals. The open cover makes yacht braid splicable, but quite vulnerable to chafe on rough surfaces.

Climbing rope is either sewn or knotted. Those may be your choices.

[Kello]

Originally Posted by thinwater

From what I remember of the 70s, groovy was not always functional. But it seemed important.

You must have had a LOT of fun in the '70s ... because "groovy" was a 60's thing. The '70s (if I remember correctly ) were all disco and polyester clothes, and the Brady Bunch and microwaves and TV dinners.
"Groovy" was MUCH more important and functional. (Altho I no longer have any of my dayglo posters or albums to prove that.)

Originally Posted by thinwater

A double braid splice is reliant on the cover and the core being equal in strength. An imbalance would weaken the splice. I don't know if keeping the 2 cores together would satisfy this. Maybe. A simple check would be to weight equal lengths of each. That will roughly estimate the relative strengths.

Cool idea, thanks!