Originally Posted by thinwater
A. I think that looks like an abortion. And there are three guys managing the rope; singlehanders have less time to diddle around with jammers.
B. They seem to use 4 winches on other models.
C. I think most people think that few winches are a mistake.
You will ask for opinions, and then keep challenging them until you get the answer you want. Most performance boats, designed and sailed by people smarter than either of us, use more winches. Seem obvious. Four winches means one for the main, one for the genoa
, one for halyards etc. during reefing, and one spare. That is the healthy minimum, determined by the racing
and cruising community. I saw a Geminii Legacy with 7 jammers in front of a winch and asked the designer
how you would even sail that. He said it was "for a different kind of sailor," which meant not much sailing and dock
queen. It was done to save money
, maximize cockpit space, and well, deny that it was a sailboat with strings.
I can't remember. Have you singlehanded a performance cat before?
Some of us aren’t really out to win the latest Americas cup. I’m just sailing.
I will always challenge people in these threads. That’s important. That’s how we get to a consensus. I’m not going to just accept that I need four winches. Especially when one of the highest performing Catamarans has two.
I mean that was your argument wasn’t it? That my boat is high-performance so I must have more winches? Well, no. That’s not the case. You stated it like it’s an absolute fact or something. By my pictures, no, it’s not. That’s your opinion - and I value it.
I don’t want to get into some kind of argument with you. I value your posts. You come up with good ideas. I thank you for being in the thread.
But to be honest, I’m not racing here. I’m just going from point A to point B quickly and in comfort.
I don’t have a crew of people to man all these different winches. I can only be at one at a time. So I’m not sure why I need so many.
To me, what I see in those gun boat 55 pictures is ideal. What I see in the picture you showed looks like a pain in the ass because I have to run all over the place. I’d rather have everything centralized next to the helm so I can reach it right away.
If the sailing gets so difficult that I have to be running back-and-forth to all of those winches in your picture or swapping things very quickly on the winches on the Gunboat picture, I’m not going to be sailing. Because I’m in a harbor or something.
I don’t sail through the mooring
fields or in tight areas like a harbor single-handed on a boat this big. That is insane. That does not work
out. That just is an insurance
out of the harbor, I get onto my course, lock in the autohelm
and then I start raising up the sails
and then turn the engines off.
Hopefully, I get to stay on that same point of sail until I get to my destination
Maybe I fall off a little bit to give way to someone else. Maybe I come up a little tighter to the wind
. I don’t even adjust the sails
when I’m doing that because it’s a temporary course adjustment.
I’m not out here doing insane things for YouTube. I’m just sailing a boat from point A to point B.
I’m thinking you probably have a racing background, and that’s cool. I like that. I don’t. So I don’t push the boat as hard as you probably do. I just use the sails for propulsion
. They are like another engine
First thing is my course. Second thing is setting sails to match it.
I’m not tacking my way up wind
every 10 minutes. I’m not gybing this thing down wind.
I don’t know if you are familiar with the Long Island sound
, but if I am going against the wind in the Long Island sound
, I will go from Connecticut to New York
to Connecticut to New York
to Connecticut to New York with my tacks. Lol. I’m not out here to win races. I’m out here to be comfortable and have an enjoyable time.
I built a fast boat because there is frequently not enough wind and it sucks. So now I can sail in nice conditions instead of motoring.
I will not race
this boat. Except as a joke against Grit. Ha ha. One design class.
So it’s possible that you’re looking at it from a different use case. I just want convenience. I just want to be able to sail when there is almost no wind. And I won’t be able to help but to go fast when the conditions are decent. But I’m not going to be changing course all the time. So I don’t need to deal with changing lines around constantly.
Does that make sense? I’m not disparaging your post at all. I am challenging it. Because it doesn’t appear necessary to have four winches on a performance boat. It appears optional.
PS: I have never single-handed a performance cat. I have never been on a performance cat except the one I’m sitting on right now. Challenging my experience doesn’t really make your case. I have been financially excluded from performance cats until I put in the time to make one.
Your picture with the four winches? That’s a 70 foot freaking boat. There is a world of difference between that big thing and my boat.
Here it is from another angle. I just don’t have that kind of space.