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Old 28-10-2022, 19:41   #46
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Re: STA-LOK Swageless Terminals (Wire Rope Terminals)

For any size?
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For any size?
I have 1/2" Sta-Locs on the bobstay. Work fine.

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We replaced Shrouds on Risky Business end of 2017 using Staylock and dyform wire.
Look out! Dyform spirals the same direction both outer and inner layers, so a lot more torque trying to loosen themselves when under load. Our rigger used silicon type sealant in them as he did them up, which failed under load and they loosened off by the time we got to NZ. The rigger there cleaned the silicon out and redid them (new cones) and then all good rest of way around the world . Both riggers used spanners.
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I feel like sealants around the fitting may induce crevice corrosion?

Anyway, another plug for searig, they are significantly cheaper than stalok.

And kiwi boat stuff has to be good.
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I feel like sealants around the fitting may induce crevice corrosion?

Anyway, another plug for searig, they are significantly cheaper than stalok.

And kiwi boat stuff has to be good.
The only Google hits I get are from Australian sales outlets… not even a hit from New Zealand and nothing in the US.
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I have re-rigged my 46 foot ketch on the dock. Just using a couple of pair of vice grips. It does not require a work bench and vice. But if one is handy, why not.
If its a hassle and a distance. You can definitely do it on the dock. Or on board if you didn’t have to do a lot of precise measuring. That would be easier and probably more accurate laid out on land.

I found it no problem to re-rig with the stick up and in the water.
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I have re-rigged my 46 foot ketch on the dock. Just using a couple of pair of vice grips. It does not require a work bench and vice. But if one is handy, why not.
If its a hassle and a distance. You can definitely do it on the dock. Or on board if you didn’t have to do a lot of precise measuring. That would be easier and probably more accurate laid out on land.

I found it no problem to re-rig with the stick up and in the water.
Yeah I might do it at the dock if I only do the forestay and backstay. Forestay is too short and backstay too long so I will change those.

Mast is tilted forward a bit.

Not sure if the PO measured wrong, was trying to decrease weather helm maybe, or planned to be sailing downwind a lot.. I'll probably put it straight up or raked a very small amount.

Best I can tell it's been this way for about 18-19 years which would include his two years sail to Florida and the Bahamas from Massachusetts in 2003 or 2004 to 2006.

If or when I do the upper shrouds I may have the mast removed because on my webbing ladder I cannot get out to the spreader ends very easy.

Plus I'm probably too heavy at 190 lbs. to be sitting on the spreaders
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The only Google hits I get are from Australian sales outlets… not even a hit from New Zealand and nothing in the US.
Here's the Australian source URL: https://www.arcuswire.com/
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Ahem....at 190 lbs you ought to be able to shimmy up and down the mast without any problems..
What I've done, is to have someone hoist me up the mast, while sitting in a bosun's chair, then simply swing out when you get to the spreaders.
Being a belts and braces guy, I like to go aloft on two halyards.
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I'm about 220 lbs and 62 years old and I would have not issue about being going aloft except that I get vertigo. I didn't have vertigo when I was 20 but did by 40.

I have been looking for a rigger locally (Port Canaveral FL) to work on inspecting and replacing rigging and one of the most recommended informed that he does not go up the mast anymore... "too old".

I wish I was 20 years (at least) younger and 40 lbs lighter before taking up a sailboat in earnest.
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I hear ya...in mah 20's I could shimmy up and down a mast like a monkey....and not think twice about it...I was young and fearless and going to live forever....
But...alas...from somewhere...I know not where...some extra pounds have managed to attach themselves to my waist line, depriving me of doing past mast climbing stunts...
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Has anyone used / installed these with new rigging on their boat?

If so how did it go with the assembly.

I figure I'll have to go home to my shed etc where my vise is to do the job properly.

I'm thinking forestay and backstay first then go from there as I have two lowers and one upper for shrouds which would probably last many more years.

This to be done with rig on the boat and I'll secure the mast with halyard and an extra old halyard that I'll tie to the top when up there
I done them on my ketch, all you need is READ THE INSTRUCTIONS a vice and some spanners.
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Ahem....at 190 lbs you ought to be able to shimmy up and down the mast without any problems..
What I've done, is to have someone hoist me up the mast, while sitting in a bosun's chair, then simply swing out when you get to the spreaders.
Being a belts and braces guy, I like to go aloft on two halyards.
No problem going up and down the mast with my webbing ladder but to work on the ends of the spreaders is the problem.

I don't have a bosun's chair to swing out on so I'd have to reach out there or climb out on the spreaders which I think at 190 lbs. and nearing 70 years old would be a problem then to work like that another problem so I'd probably have the mast removed when I decide to do the shrouds

Or wait until I'm in the yard next Fall and do all the rigging then
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For pity's sake, Tom, buy a bosun's chair. Boatswains are important, and we want to keep them alive!

Besides, it's sorta fun to be whizzed aloft by an enthusiastic wincher.

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For pity's sake, Tom, buy a bosun's chair. Boatswains are important, and we want to keep them alive!

Besides, it's sorta fun to be whizzed aloft by an enthusiastic wincher.

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New genoa took priority over a bosun's chair.

So far in 11 years I have been up the mast three times.
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