Cruisers Forum
 


Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 06-04-2012, 19:41   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: St Kitts
Boat: 36' 2001 Fortuna Island Spirit Catamaran
Posts: 254
Snapped Boom

12-15 knots of wind. We were under engine power rounding Redonda, sail was up but not under load as we were heading directly into the wind at the time for people to take pictures. Then I heard something from one of the crew that I could not process "your boom is broken!"

Main sheet was tight, traveller locked. There was no tacking, no swing.. just poof and it snapped as you see here. The rope on the back was slack before the break, the boom snapped up like that in one go.

Rigging was recently inspected a few months ago and stays were replaced and mast was taken up and down. Traveller car was also replaced and new.

Has any one seen anything like this?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0108.jpg
Views:	197
Size:	351.3 KB
ID:	39601   Click image for larger version

Name:	DSC_0109.jpg
Views:	229
Size:	268.6 KB
ID:	39602  

__________________
Home is where the anchor is.
PyotrBee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2012, 19:47   #2
Registered User
 
LeaseOnLife's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: out cruising again, currently in Fiji
Boat: Sailboat
Posts: 1,466
Re: Snapped Boom

Do I see a topping lift at the end of the boom in the first pic? Main sheet acting against topping lift?
LeaseOnLife is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2012, 19:53   #3
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Nevada City. CA
Boat: Sceptre 41
Posts: 3,857
Images: 9
Re: Snapped Boom

Not an old boat either. could be the topping lift against the mainsheet but I would think you had a solid vang.
__________________
Fair Winds,

Charlie

Between us there was, as I have already said somewhere, the bond of the sea. Besides holding our hearts together through long periods of separation, it had the effect of making us tolerant of each other's yarns -- and even convictions. Heart of Darkness
Joseph Conrad
Charlie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2012, 20:00   #4
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: St Kitts
Boat: 36' 2001 Fortuna Island Spirit Catamaran
Posts: 254
Re: Snapped Boom

Topping lift was not tight, it was loose. In fact I had new crew and I made a big deal of making sure it was loose because otherwise it pushes on the sail and deforms the shape when under load.

And even if it was tight, I would think there was no way that rope could exert enough pressure to do this.
__________________
Home is where the anchor is.
PyotrBee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2012, 20:02   #5
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: St Kitts
Boat: 36' 2001 Fortuna Island Spirit Catamaran
Posts: 254
Re: Snapped Boom

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie View Post
Not an old boat either. could be the topping lift against the mainsheet but I would think you had a solid vang.
Yes boom has a vang.
__________________
Home is where the anchor is.
PyotrBee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2012, 20:03   #6
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: St Kitts
Boat: 36' 2001 Fortuna Island Spirit Catamaran
Posts: 254
Re: Snapped Boom

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie View Post
Not an old boat either.
Boat is a 2001 model, Im fourth owner and have had it since late 2009.
__________________
Home is where the anchor is.
PyotrBee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2012, 20:13   #7
Registered User
 
LeaseOnLife's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: out cruising again, currently in Fiji
Boat: Sailboat
Posts: 1,466
Re: Snapped Boom

Examine the crack: you probably can see, it started at the bottom of the boom, you should see lines, small fractures, aged, probably oxidized. Then the rest of the fracture should be clear, shiny metal.

It broke right behind the main sheet. There had to be a force pointing up, at the end of the boom. Probably just the clew of the mainsail was enough force, over time.

I don't see any reefing lines going thru the boom? This shouldn't be too hard to repair, I probably would stiffen this section a bit, to several feet behind the mainsheet blocks.

Dirk
LeaseOnLife is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2012, 20:19   #8
Registered User
 
delmarrey's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Philippines in the winters
Boat: It’s in French Polynesia now
Posts: 11,368
Images: 122
Re: Snapped Boom

And that's why I run my main sheet blocks at the end of the boom. I'm willing to bet the crack started right where the aft block support is riveted to the boom.
__________________
Faithful are the Wounds of a Friend, but the Kisses of the Enemy are Deceitful! ........
The measure of a man is how he navigates to a proper shore in the midst of a storm!
delmarrey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2012, 20:20   #9
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: St Kitts
Boat: 36' 2001 Fortuna Island Spirit Catamaran
Posts: 254
Re: Snapped Boom

I looked at the crack but will look closer with the clues you mention. Its fairly straight.

Reefing lines were not in. The sail was recently repaired and we had just put it back up. We did not have a chance to put the reefing lines in yet, and the conditions today did not call for above 14 knots of wind. If winds had gotten too much we had planned to simply take down the main sail and use fore sail and/or engines.

What really amazed all of us was that it snapped while it was not under load.... but it was also lucky as dealing with it under load would have been more difficult.
__________________
Home is where the anchor is.
PyotrBee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2012, 20:31   #10
Registered User
 
delmarrey's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Philippines in the winters
Boat: It’s in French Polynesia now
Posts: 11,368
Images: 122
Re: Snapped Boom

After a closer inspection it looks as though those block supports are welded on, rather then riveted. Is that the case?

If so, that's where the crack started. On aluminum boats, cracks always start right next to the welds. One should never weld across the stress area of an alum. structure. Always weld inline with the stress.
__________________
Faithful are the Wounds of a Friend, but the Kisses of the Enemy are Deceitful! ........
The measure of a man is how he navigates to a proper shore in the midst of a storm!
delmarrey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2012, 20:46   #11
Registered User
 
LeaseOnLife's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: out cruising again, currently in Fiji
Boat: Sailboat
Posts: 1,466
Re: Snapped Boom

this is a picture of a broken piece of aluminum. The black portion is where it started. It slowly developed, see the lines? Then, at some point, the material is weakened enough, to break off.

What I am trying to say: The damage was done earlier. Maybe the weld, maybe a crash-jibe in the past. Then the crack kept advancing. Today it broke

http://www.brightspoke.com/img/fatigued_crank.jpg
LeaseOnLife is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2012, 22:06   #12
Moderator Emeritus
 
roverhi's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Carlsbad, CA
Boat: 1976 Sabre 28-2
Posts: 7,505
Send a message via Yahoo to roverhi
Re: Snapped Boom

Aluminum welds reduce the strength of the material by something like 30% Unlike steel whose strength is unaffected or maybe even strengthened by a proper weld. Looks like the break was caused by the welded bale. A bale with drilled and tapped fasteners probably would have been fine.
__________________
Peter O.
'Ae'a, Pearson 35
'Ms American Pie', Sabre 28 Mark II
roverhi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2012, 22:08   #13
Registered User
 
Target9000's Avatar

Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,379
Re: Snapped Boom

That sucks man. =( Hope they didn't weld too much other stuff on your boat.
__________________
Let your heart tell you where to go, but let your brain tell you how to get there.
Target9000 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2012, 22:18   #14
Registered User
 
sww914's Avatar

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Punta De Mita
Boat: Vagabond 39 Hull # 1
Posts: 1,842
Re: Snapped Boom

Yes, I've seen that lots of times on aluminum racecar parts that were welded right on the stress points. That only works if you weld on a round or diamond shaped plate under the fitting that stretches away from the stress point about the same distance as 1/2 of the tube's diameter or more. Better to bolt or rivit there.
__________________
Steve
https://www.landfallvoyages.com
sww914 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-04-2012, 22:56   #15
Registered User

Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: East about Circumnavigation
Boat: Spray Replica
Posts: 144
Re: Snapped Boom

Hi,

We had exactly the same thing happen to us 2 years ago although our conditions were a little different. We were sailing down wind in strong breezes and lumpy seas at 3am in the morning on a moonless night.

It certainly took us by surprise! We had certainly sailed in worse conditions and didn't expect it.

Surprisingly after retrieving the boom we sailed with the main loose footed to the main sheet ( like a head sail) and were able to average better than 6 knts





This shot was taken the following day after we managed to get into Escape River to lick our wounds.

Our investigations confirmed what others have suggested. The boom snapped right behind the vang attachment that was welded to the boom.

A close inspection showed that there may have been a small crack starting some time before the boom snapped.

The rigger who built the rig suggested that the cause in our case was possibly the mast pumping in the middle as a result of the stay sail collapsing putting upward strain on the boom at the vang attachment.

We did a very temporary repair in an isolated town at the top of Cape York then replaced it in Darwin thanks to insurance!!! We made sure this time that the vang attachment was riveted rather than welded.

This a link to our blog when it happened. Unfortunately we were in a very remote part of the Australian Coast so we didn't blog a lot of detail.

Fair Winds
Garry and Wendy
SV Spirit of Sobraon
Home Page: Spirit of Sobraon's Travel Log The...
(Blog) " The difference between ordeal and...
sobraon is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Raising the Boom Hoohaa Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 25 03-04-2012 16:10
Raising Gooseneck/boom on Lagoon 380/410 Clipper4730 Multihull Sailboats 2 03-04-2012 13:10
Removing the Boom SaucySailoress Deck hardware: Rigging, Sails & Hoisting 19 01-04-2012 16:28
For Sale: Boom 11'6'' gaglur Classifieds Archive 1 31-03-2012 19:25
For Sale: Mast and Boom sailorman14 Classifieds Archive 2 29-03-2012 14:33

Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 19:14.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.