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17-01-2021, 21:27
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New Milwaukee Drill works for large mainsail
Bought this for winching main on 61ft cat
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
So far works a treat. Straight pulls an adult male to the top using about 20% of battery.
Sail is easier at 2:1. I prefer to set last bit with manual handle.
New model has same torque as old model Hole Hawg with about half the weight in drill only format
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18-01-2021, 11:58
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Re: New Milwaukee Drill works for large mainsail
I decided to go a similar route when I added a winch last year. Quote for an electric one, including installation was ridiculously expensive. I know a lot of folks use the large Milwaukee angle head drill. Is there much torque transferred through the handle of this straight drill - ie: hard to hold? Did you compare any other brands?
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18-01-2021, 12:10
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Re: New Milwaukee Drill works for large mainsail
My sailboat has a 1500 lb lifting keel. I bought the Milwaaukee right angle drill (28V) and it works like a charm. There's a fair amount of torgue transferred so it's important to attach and use the side handle.
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18-01-2021, 12:33
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Re: New Milwaukee Drill works for large mainsail
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Originally Posted by Phyrcooler
I decided to go a similar route when I added a winch last year. Quote for an electric one, including installation was ridiculously expensive. I know a lot of folks use the large Milwaukee angle head drill. Is there much torque transferred through the handle of this straight drill - ie: hard to hold? Did you compare any other brands?
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The amount of force required to hold the drill is exactly the same as that you would have applied to the winch handle for a given amount of line tension. The differences are: you are only applying a static force, not winding the winch, and there may be a difference in the lever arm, ie is the grip on the drill more or less than 10 inches (standard winch handle length) from the driving bit?
The 28 V Milwaukee is about 16 inches from bit to handle, giving more leverage than the standard handle. It appears that the new drill is quite a bit less than that... plus the non-90 degree orientation might be awkward to use on typical cockpit winches.
The advertised torque figures are excellent, though, and if coupled with a 2:1 right angle drive would be very effective.
Jim
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18-01-2021, 14:15
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Re: New Milwaukee Drill works for large mainsail
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Originally Posted by Jim Cate
The amount of force required to hold the drill is exactly the same as that you would have applied to the winch handle for a given amount of line tension. The differences are: you are only applying a static force, not winding the winch, and there may be a difference in the lever arm, ie is the grip on the drill more or less than 10 inches (standard winch handle length) from the driving bit?
The 28 V Milwaukee is about 16 inches from bit to handle, giving more leverage than the standard handle. It appears that the new drill is quite a bit less than that... plus the non-90 degree orientation might be awkward to use on typical cockpit winches.
The advertised torque figures are excellent, though, and if coupled with a 2:1 right angle drive would be very effective.
Jim
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Any links for a right angle drive w gearbox?
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18-01-2021, 16:00
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Re: New Milwaukee Drill works for large mainsail
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Originally Posted by nfbr
Any links for a right angle drive w gearbox?
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Nothing specific... but the Milwaukee 28 V right angle drill uses one as part of the kit. I don't know if they make one for the new 18 V model, or if the one from the old 28 V would fit. A chat with a knowledgeable dealer might be worthwhile. (None of those nearby to us here in southern Tasmania!)
Jim
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18-01-2021, 16:48
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Re: New Milwaukee Drill works for large mainsail
I am real interested in this! Putting up the main on my Vagabond 42, by myself while the admiral is on the helm is getting more difficult every year! I don't really understand the part of the discussion about the 2:1 gearbox. Is that something additional you add to the drill? What about a chuck, are any preferred?
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18-01-2021, 18:46
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Re: New Milwaukee Drill works for large mainsail
Isn’t the 2:1 referring to how the halyard is rigged?
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18-01-2021, 19:30
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Re: New Milwaukee Drill works for large mainsail
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Originally Posted by Jim Cate
The amount of force required to hold the drill is exactly the same as that you would have applied to the winch handle for a given amount of line tension. The differences are: you are only applying a static force, not winding the winch, and there may be a difference in the lever arm, ie is the grip on the drill more or less than 10 inches (standard winch handle length) from the driving bit?
Jim
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Ok - that pretty much confirms my assumptions
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Originally Posted by nfbr
Any links for a right angle drive w gearbox?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenWave
Isn’t the 2:1 referring to how the halyard is rigged?
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That’s how I read the OP. I searched around, and I could not find any reference to or availability of a 2:1 right angle attachment. That doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Maybe Google let me down!
Because of the discussed leverage issues, I like the format of the traditional Milwaukee Hole Hawg right angle drill, over the standard drill format style the OP linked. The advantages of the one they linked is cost, and two speed gearing in addition to the variable speed trigger.
Here’s a link to an 18v Milwaukee right angle that is updated, and has a brushless motor: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwauke...7-20/312427932
That $279.00 is without battery/charger!
So far I haven’t found a 1/2” right angle cordless by any other mfg. I’m not sure the smaller ones I do find would have the needed torque.
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18-01-2021, 20:33
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Re: New Milwaukee Drill works for large mainsail
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Originally Posted by GreenWave
Isn’t the 2:1 referring to how the halyard is rigged?
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Perhaps the quoted post was indeed so referring, but the 2:1 right angle drive gearbox is standard on the Milwaukee 28V drill that we all use in this application... and that would be a great addition to this 18 V model.
Jim
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19-01-2021, 02:35
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Re: New Milwaukee Drill works for large mainsail
I'm considering the Dewalt Flexvolt Joist right angle drill, because of it's excellent torque specs and they have 12Ah batteries. The Youtube channel Project Farm tests many things (one of my fav channels) and he showed the Dewalt batteries to be the best.
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19-01-2021, 03:00
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Re: New Milwaukee Drill works for large mainsail
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Originally Posted by Jim Cate
Perhaps the quoted post was indeed so referring, but the 2:1 right angle drive gearbox is standard on the Milwaukee 28V drill that we all use in this application... and that would be a great addition to this 18 V model.
Jim
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The new Brushless straight drill has the same peak torque as the 28v hole hawg at half the weight.
That's including built in gearboxes. See table above.
But it's not right angle.
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19-01-2021, 03:03
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Re: New Milwaukee Drill works for large mainsail
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Originally Posted by BigBeakie
I'm considering the Dewalt Flexvolt Joist right angle drill, because of it's excellent torque specs and they have 12Ah batteries. The Youtube channel Project Farm tests many things (one of my fav channels) and he showed the Dewalt batteries to be the best.
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Is that the 9.5kg / 21lb model?
Seriously heavy.
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19-01-2021, 07:56
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Re: New Milwaukee Drill works for large mainsail
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Originally Posted by nfbr
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Where do you get the bit that you chuck into the drill and fits in the winch?
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19-01-2021, 08:31
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Re: New Milwaukee Drill works for large mainsail
M18 FUEL™ SUPER HAWG™ 1/2" Right Angle Drill Kit Model 2809-22
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