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Old 13-10-2024, 15:38   #1
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Genoa stuck half way out

I went for a sail today and now my Genoa is stuck half way out. I can pull the sail all the way out but when I try to pull it in it gets stuck in the Selden 300s furling drum. I tried to pull out and furl many times. Can I unscrew the furling drum and disconnect it from the rest while I'm fixing the issue inside. I try to hold tension on the line while furling and unfurling but I'm solo.
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Old 13-10-2024, 16:21   #2
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Re: Genoa stuck half way out

It is overlapping as in the picture. It is too windy to take the sail down. 9 knots now
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Old 13-10-2024, 17:11   #3
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Re: Genoa stuck half way out

I solved it myself. Tied a rope to hold the reefing line tension and pulled the reefing line throw the drum until I had solved the problem
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Old 13-10-2024, 17:15   #4
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Bravo
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Old 13-10-2024, 17:56   #5
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Re: Genoa stuck half way out

That looked like the mother of all overrides, A rigger friend suggested the use of a ratcheting block that helps keep a little tension on the line. I really like it, there's a couple sizes.
https://www.harken.com/en/shop/furli...n-mount-block/
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Old 13-10-2024, 19:47   #6
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Double down on the ratchet block. A great addition to a furling drum system.

Another thought... that line looks a bit oversized for the application. A smaller diameter line will lead to neater wraps on the drum and less tendency to override.
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Old 13-10-2024, 20:45   #7
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I just had top clear an override so the ratchet block sounds good.

Is it installed at the bow pulpit as Harken suggests?

Then would I unfurl normally, keeping light tension on the furling line, and the ratchet block just helps keep the tension on?
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Is it installed at the bow pulpit as Harken suggests?
Mine is on the stern pulpit gate stanchion, furling line makes direction change toward cockpit and thru the clutch there. Should work with hands off while unfurling but usually let the line pass over fingers from habit.
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Old 13-10-2024, 23:46   #9
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Re: Genoa stuck half way out

How about putting the furling line a round or two around the free / lazy jib winch when you are sailing solo?

Also setting anchor with 90% Genoa is not easy. The wind pushed the boat around ��
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I do have ratchet block with cam cleat by the cockpit
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Old 15-10-2024, 11:34   #11
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Re: Genoa stuck half way out

Sailing, good job solving your furling issue...I had same issue in that the block on my stanchion nearest the furling migrated up the stanchion to the point when i furled my genoa the line wrapped around the top of the furler...and of course it was blowing 15, gusting to 20...after numerous attempts to furl the sail I let go the halyard to douse the genoa....and of course the genoa didnt drop!? So I headed into the wind a few times thinking the flogging would loosen it so I could pull down the sail...no luck...getting a bit worried, but had sailed into our harbor and the slip before w/ about 30-40% of genoa still out and no engine (dont ask) (Yelling for all on the dock to stand clear)...thank goodness I have a "plastic boat"....Headed back to my harbor and about 1 mile out the genoa finally came flying down to the foredeck....I ran forward and was able to keep the gennie from dropping in the drink...got it all on the foredeck and casually motored into my slip (ah the joys of single handing)...lowered the stanchion block and double-checked all other furling line blocks were secure. ..no problems since...thnks
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Re: Genoa stuck half way out

When the wind is light, furl up wind with some back tension on the sheet. No flogging. Same unfurling, with a little back tension on the furling line, often very little.



When it is windy (this case), furl with the wind well aft, as far aft as needed to ease the furling strain. Keep light back tension on the sheet. No flogging. Unfurling works well upwind in a breeze, saving a lot of grinding, BUT you must keep back tension on the furling line as it goes out to prevent overrides. Control the unfurling with the line once around a drum. Sheet in at the same time to prevent flogging. Never just let it run out. Tempting, but often bad.



The advantage of furling off the wind is that you avoid having the sail flog, which is the cause of the overrides.
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Re: Genoa stuck half way out

I do not have a ratchet block and this thread got my interest.
Override is always a catastrophe waiting, more so for a single handed.

Trying to visualize how will work for me.

When furling, I feel have better control as I furl while the drum line is wrapped around a winch and maintain tension on that line.

Unfurling seems to me is more of a threat as if I loose tension on the drum line or a gust unfurls the Genoa it takes few seconds to end with a problem.

Thinking will make sense to my needs to place the block on this line.

Right?
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Re: Genoa stuck half way out

Been there, done that. Anchored in a somewhat sheltered area and spent half an hour or more manually unwinding and rewinding the furling line.

We now have a procedure where the helm uses one hand to keep a bit of tension on the line while the other crew member opens the sail, but I definitely have to look into this "ratchet block" thingy. Didn't know about them.

It's for tidbits of information like that that I follow this site.
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I do not have a ratchet block and this thread got my interest.
Override is always a catastrophe waiting, more so for a single handed.

Trying to visualize how will work for me.

When furling, I feel have better control as I furl while the drum line is wrapped around a winch and maintain tension on that line.

Unfurling seems to me is more of a threat as if I loose tension on the drum line or a gust unfurls the Genoa it takes few seconds to end with a problem.

Thinking will make sense to my needs to place the block on this line.

Right?

Yes.


But you don't need a ratchet block if there is a winch available. I've always just used a single turn on a spare winch. Better than a ratchet block, because it is so easy to flick if off if the drag is too much.



Yes, I understand some of today's boats don't have primaries and secondaries.



And to repeat, if you are having trouble controlling the lines, consider whether blanketing the sail behind the main will help. Yes, you will lose progress to windward, but it will take only seconds to furl under full control. This is nearly always better. Wait to bear away until everything is ready and your hands are on the lines.


If you are single handing, this is what autopilots were invented for. They are really worth it, if only for setting and furling. Also very good for single handed tacking, if tuned properly.
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