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01-06-2020, 09:34
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Re: Downwind Sail for Ocean Race
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A lot of these used sails have sail numbers on them.
What can you do about that? I guess you have to sew a panel over them? Seems like a PITA.
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On spinnakers I have, they are simply adhesive ripstop and you can peel them off. Will certainly leave a residue with number outlines. I just paste my numbers over that and that's good enough for my used sails and race committees to verify.
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01-06-2020, 10:03
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Re: Downwind Sail for Ocean Race
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So I'm inclined to go with the first one of these, which is a North sail and at an outstanding price.
It's a bit bigger which is good from a horsepower point of view -- I am specifically concerned about light winds.
It's supposed to be from a Swan 42, but what Swan 42 has a 70' forestay??
The luff of this is right at two feet less than my forestay length, so it's probably not going to complete clear my bow pulpit -- is that a problem? If a little bit hangs over?
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01-06-2020, 18:13
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Re: Downwind Sail for Ocean Race
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Originally Posted by Dockhead
The luff of this is right at two feet less than my forestay length, so it's probably not going to complete clear my bow pulpit -- is that a problem? If a little bit hangs over?
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Two thoughts...
I wonder if that luff measurement was “straight”, in which case once it is flying the curve will help.
Second, I fly mine outside the pulpit. Is this possible on your boat?
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01-06-2020, 18:16
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Re: Downwind Sail for Ocean Race
Third thought...
That used sail looks a lot like my previous asym, just before it started popping seams, left, right and centre.
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01-06-2020, 18:18
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Re: Downwind Sail for Ocean Race
Fourth thought...
The dousing socks are horribly expensive. I was quoted AU$900 so I’ve reused my old one.
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02-06-2020, 00:27
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Re: Downwind Sail for Ocean Race
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Originally Posted by GILow
Two thoughts...
I wonder if that luff measurement was “straight”, in which case once it is flying the curve will help.
Second, I fly mine outside the pulpit. Is this possible on your boat?
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On the first point -- yeah, I've now found some sizing guides which recommend that the assy luff should be a little longer than the forestay. You're right.
Outside the pulpit? How would you do that without a sprit?
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I behold from the beach your crooked inviting fingers,
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Cushion me soft . . . . rock me in billowy drowse,
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02-06-2020, 00:30
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Re: Downwind Sail for Ocean Race
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Originally Posted by GILow
Third thought...
That used sail looks a lot like my previous asym, just before it started popping seams, left, right and centre.
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Thanks. Maybe I need a newer one. There's a quite new one in the UK for about £2000, which is no longer $3000. And my sailmaker offers to make me one in time for £3300, but that's without launching bag or sock. Hmmmm.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GILow
Fourth thought...
The dousing socks are horribly expensive. I was quoted AU$900 so I’ve reused my old one.
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Yeah, the ATN ones are shockingly expensive.
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I behold from the beach your crooked inviting fingers,
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Cushion me soft . . . . rock me in billowy drowse,
Dash me with amorous wet . . . . I can repay you."
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02-06-2020, 00:53
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Re: Downwind Sail for Ocean Race
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Originally Posted by Dockhead
I found a lightly used triradial symmetrical spinnaker with luff length almost the same as my "I" dimension -- 69' or 21 meters. 1738 square feet or 161m2. 1.5oz nylon.
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That seems to be about perfect I would not worry too much about handling. Hoist it stropped and take it down in the lee of the main. Once it is up, the size matters very little.
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02-06-2020, 01:46
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Re: Downwind Sail for Ocean Race
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Originally Posted by MartinR
. Once it is up, the size matters very little.
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I hear that a lot.
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02-06-2020, 02:14
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Re: Downwind Sail for Ocean Race
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Originally Posted by Dockhead
Outside the pulpit? How would you do that without a sprit?
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Well, my pulpit is a bit odd, it is split in two down the middle, but that doesn't matter much as I just clip the foot line onto the bow roller
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02-06-2020, 02:32
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Re: Downwind Sail for Ocean Race
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Originally Posted by GILow
I hear that a lot.
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Must be comforting!
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"You sea! I resign myself to you also . . . . I guess what you mean,
I behold from the beach your crooked inviting fingers,
I believe you refuse to go back without feeling of me;
We must have a turn together . . . . I undress . . . . hurry me out of sight of the land,
Cushion me soft . . . . rock me in billowy drowse,
Dash me with amorous wet . . . . I can repay you."
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02-06-2020, 02:32
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Re: Downwind Sail for Ocean Race
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Originally Posted by GILow
Well, my pulpit is a bit odd, it is split in two down the middle, but that doesn't matter much as I just clip the foot line onto the bow roller
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Any photos of how you have that rigged?
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"You sea! I resign myself to you also . . . . I guess what you mean,
I behold from the beach your crooked inviting fingers,
I believe you refuse to go back without feeling of me;
We must have a turn together . . . . I undress . . . . hurry me out of sight of the land,
Cushion me soft . . . . rock me in billowy drowse,
Dash me with amorous wet . . . . I can repay you."
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02-06-2020, 03:51
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Re: Downwind Sail for Ocean Race
Pulpit for downwind sails
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02-06-2020, 04:13
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Re: Downwind Sail for Ocean Race
Tack strop for code sail
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02-06-2020, 06:13
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Re: Downwind Sail for Ocean Race
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Originally Posted by Dockhead
Any photos of how you have that rigged?
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You’ll have to kind of fill in the gaps from the following photos, but note the small tear in the old yellow and white Asym. That was the beginning of a whole lot more, all over the sail.
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