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28-11-2016, 16:23
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Curved vs straight traveler
I am in the middle of re-finishing a 1969 Columbia 36. The mainsheet traveler is pretty rudimentary and has a slight bend sprung into it to keep it centered on the mounting area at the aft end of the cockpit. If I replace it (the wood underlayment of the traveler track is toast) do I need to replicate the bend or can I simplify things with a straight track?
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28-11-2016, 16:44
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Re: Curved vs straight traveler
Straight is beter. Why? Cuz any change in the track affects the actual mainsheet placement when you are moving the traveler control lines so you are changing the trim of the main instead of just changing the angle of attack.
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28-11-2016, 18:09
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Re: Curved vs straight traveler
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Originally Posted by Stu Jackson
Straight is beter. Why? Cuz any change in the track affects the actual mainsheet placement when you are moving the traveler control lines so you are changing the trim of the main instead of just changing the angle of attack.
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I think you've got that backwards. If the arc of the traveller track is the same as the arc described by the mainsheet attachment point on the boom you will not change the trim of the main.
If it is straight or if the arc is not the same as the mainsheet attachment arc, it will change the trim of the main since the mainsheet will either loosen or tighten slightly when the traveller is moved - moving the boom up or down.
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28-11-2016, 18:21
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Re: Curved vs straight traveler
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Originally Posted by StuM
I think you've got that backwards. If the arc of the traveller track is the same as the arc described by the mainsheet attachment point on the boom you will not change the trim of the main.
If it is straight or if the arc is not the same as the mainsheet attachment arc, it will change the trim of the main since the mainsheet will either loosen or tighten slightly when the traveller is moved - moving the boom up or down.
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28-11-2016, 19:24
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Re: Curved vs straight traveler
To clarify things, as it makes a difference. Is the track curved in the horizontal plane, or the vertical?
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28-11-2016, 21:23
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Re: Curved vs straight traveler
Jeez, just go sailing.
Curved or straight? You in the Volvo Ocean Race looking to shave a second here and a second there.?
Sail a few years and you won't ask the question, we spend more time at anchor goofing off than worrying about the angle of the traveler, at least I do..
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28-11-2016, 21:35
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Re: Curved vs straight traveler
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Originally Posted by StuM
I think you've got that backwards. If the arc of the traveller track is the same as the arc described by the mainsheet attachment point on the boom you will not change the trim of the main.
If it is straight or if the arc is not the same as the mainsheet attachment arc, it will change the trim of the main since the mainsheet will either loosen or tighten slightly when the traveller is moved - moving the boom up or down.
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Stu has it right.
Curved track is readily available. Why not use it? Especially if it was originally designed that way.
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29-11-2016, 08:03
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Re: Curved vs straight traveler
On our 1985 Catalina 30 mk I the mid-boom traveller is arced in the vertical over the cabin roof but straight in the horizontal. This DEFINITELY changes the sheet tension when moved, so much that we usually have to slack the sheet to be able to adjust the traveller more than a few inches.
If the OP's curve is horizontal and has the diameter centered at the mast, then it would be good to keep if he has the room. If it is arced vertical due to a humped seat, then a flat track would be better if possible.
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29-11-2016, 08:09
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Re: Curved vs straight traveler
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Originally Posted by OS2Dude
On our 1985 Catalina 30 mk I the mid-boom traveller is arced in the vertical over the cabin roof but straight in the horizontal. This DEFINITELY changes the sheet tension when moved, so much that we usually have to slack the sheet to be able to adjust the traveller more than a few inches.
If the OP's curve is horizontal and has the diameter centered at the mast, then it would be good to keep if he has the room. If it is arced vertical due to a humped seat, then a flat track would be better if possible.
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Stu and Stu can agree?
This Stu was thinking paragraph one above.
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29-11-2016, 09:55
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Re: Curved vs straight traveler
I live and sail as straight as l can.
My traveller is 8' long
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29-11-2016, 10:36
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Re: Curved vs straight traveler
Ideally you want a track curved in the horizontal plane, so that it scribes a hemispherical arc, with the mast as it's center point. Much as is seen on some racing trimarans, OPEN class boats, & 12m's. Barring this, you want it to have it's ends slightly higher than it's center.
BTW, many track manufacturers will bend it to your spec's for you, which is advised if there's to be much curve to it. Since you can accidentally kink the track, fudge up it's anodizing, etc.
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29-11-2016, 11:34
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Re: Curved vs straight traveler
It doesn't matter. I've raced on a lot of high end boats with straight travelers and the reason it's fine is that if the person trimming main is not constantly adjusting trim then they're not doing their job. Yes, a traveler curved on the horizontal plane doesn't impact mainsheet trim but in the grand scheme of things it's really not an issue. If you're super picky and don't want to have to occasionally tweak the sheet after raising or lowering the traveller then go for it and install a curved track but I sincerely doubt you'll notice the difference and find it annoying on a cruising boat.
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29-11-2016, 11:55
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Re: Curved vs straight traveler
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Originally Posted by CSY Man
Jeez, just go sailing.
Curved or straight? You in the Volvo Ocean Race looking to shave a second here and a second there.?
Sail a few years and you won't ask the question, we spend more time at anchor goofing off than worrying about the angle of the traveler, at least I do..
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Thank you for the answer I was looking for. It's spring curved horizontally, needs to be replaced or repaired and sits on a boat built in 1969. No racing for me. Much easier to make it straight.
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29-11-2016, 13:29
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Re: Curved vs straight traveler
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Originally Posted by Stu Jackson
^^^ +1
Stu and Stu can agree?
This Stu was thinking paragraph one above.
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^^^ + 1
Yes, Stu and Stu can agree.
This Stu was thinking of paragraph two above.
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29-11-2016, 13:53
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Re: Curved vs straight traveler
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Originally Posted by OS2Dude
On our 1985 Catalina 30 mk I the mid-boom traveller is arced in the vertical over the cabin roof but straight in the horizontal. This DEFINITELY changes the sheet tension when moved, so much that we usually have to slack the sheet to be able to adjust the traveller more than a few inches. ......
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My 1980 Catalina 30 mk I came with an abomination of a curved traveler that was only movable by hand (i.e. no lines).
Some $$$$ to Garhauer and I've got a nice straight traveler that works wonderfully. (Also all new blocks, solid vang, etc...) Garhauer is a great source of high-quality, lower priced hardware.
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