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gjordan · 15-11-2018, 10:32

I am going to have to wait until I launch and rig the boat. I have doubts about the almost stern mounting place since I am going back to the original long boom version of the Tartan 34. I want the extra sail area for light wind conditions. My last boat (Peterson 44) had runners that went to the deck about 5 or 6 foot aft of the lower shrouds. Since I sailed the boat as a sloop 95% of the time, I never had an issue with the runners. I did use them to stop mast pump a few times when going to weather. I suspect the staysail on the Tartan will be like the storm anchor. Rarely ever use it but when you need it, it is a God Send. _____Grant.

GILow · 15-11-2018, 12:29

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Originally Posted by luckylady22ft

Just in case you might need lines and blocks, please see this link to Craig's List ad:

Running Back Stays Complete with Shaefer Stainless Fiddle Hardware (4) and (2) 50 Ft lines

treasure.craigslist.org/bpo/d/running-back-stays-for-47-ft/6726007711.html

We had them on our cutter rigged Beneteau 473 sloop. Worked great.

If those are used then the price is a bit steep!

As we say here in Australia, “Tell him he’s dreaming!”.

Got all those bits already, but as per the advice here so far, I’m looking if I can do without the 4:1 blocks and go straight to the winch.

El Pinguino · 15-11-2018, 13:36

Sitting here enjoying a quiet G&T while watching my neighbour set up his rig... they sail for the south on the morning tide.....

You can see here -in the 1st pic- to the left his two backstays and his two upper running backstays.... all with what looks like duct tape where they may abraid on his spreaders... to the right you can his lower runners

2nd pic... they are busy setting up his port backstay.... you may be able to see the block arrangement for his stbd runners... which are closer to the transom than I first thought... all within 12 inches.

3rd Pic.... detail of stbd backstay and runners...

Ping
Doing it tough in Patagonia.....

**JPA Cate** · 15-11-2018, 13:54

^^^^^

El Ping also posted a drawing of the setup on his neighbor's boat in the GGR thread. Don't really know how far aft you can get those runners with your canoe stern.

Ann

GILow · 15-11-2018, 14:37

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Originally Posted by JPA Cate

^^^^^

El Ping also posted a drawing of the setup on his neighbor's boat in the GGR thread. Don't really know how far aft you can get those runners with your canoe stern.

Ann

Alas, interesting setup, but not possible on my boat.

Serious lookin' boat tho. I kinda like it, but standing up in the elements at that wheel would wear thin pretty quickly.

GILow · 15-11-2018, 14:39

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Originally Posted by Snowpetrel

Don't you hate that, can you elaborate?

In a nutshell, the running backstay needs to be inside the jib sheet when stowed, and outside the jib sheet when in use.

Everything I tried last night looked like it would turn into a knot-bomb at the worst possible moment. Maybe when I get back to the boat this morning I'll have a fresh set eyes on the problem.

El Pinguino · 15-11-2018, 14:51

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Originally Posted by GILow

In a nutshell, the running backstay needs to be inside the jib sheet when stowed, and outside the jib sheet when in use.

Everything I tried last night looked like it would turn into a knot-bomb at the worst possible moment. Maybe when I get back to the boat this morning I'll have a fresh set eyes on the problem.

meanwhile ... outside of the nutshell....

When stowed my runners are indeed inside the jib sheets..

However... once in use they are outside...

The lee one... the lazy one... isn't left to flog in the breeze.... I just take up enough slack on the 5mm line to settle her down and keep her comfy....outside the jib sheet....

It would appear to work....

Re the canoe stern.... you simply take them as far aft as you can and learn to live with it....

GILow · 15-11-2018, 15:16

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Originally Posted by El Pinguino

Re the canoe stern.... you simply take them as far aft as you can and learn to live with it....

Can’t get far enough aft to clear the boom, so no advantage. At least where they are they are very convenient to the wheel and winches.

I’ll keep playing with implementing your solution because it did look like it would work well in the mock up yesterday.

TheThunderbird · 17-11-2018, 12:16

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GILow · 17-11-2018, 12:30

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Originally Posted by TheThunderbird

Office for Complication of Simple Affairs

Really? Taking out heavy and dangerous highfield levers is making things complicated?

Please feel free to contribute something constructive from the Office of Useless Posts.

olaf hart · 17-11-2018, 12:56

So, on the Adams 36 I have a similar system to EP, with a couple of differences.

The main one is the line to stow the lazy stay, I don’t have one.

I have two lengths of 6mm line that tension the runners behind the stays when not in use, the problem with shock cord is every now and then someone grabs the stay in a hurry, and you don’t want it to give way in a sea or near a dock..

On the rare occasion the runners are needed I just untie them and let them fly, it’s easy to adjust the lengths from the back of the cockpit if they are a problem.

Each stay goes through a block near the back of the boat, to a self tailing winch near the wheel. I have two self tailers either side and the runners are always on the windward side, where the winches are free.

I have a couple of spare jammers and have thought of JC’s solution, but have never really needed them and worry about the runner jamming under load..

The whole thing is really a non event, in any manoeuvre the loaded runner is let go first, and the new one tensioned last, it’s not like an old IOR racer where the runners keep the mast up or anything like that...

GILow · 17-11-2018, 16:03

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Originally Posted by olaf hart

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On the rare occasion the runners are needed I just untie them and let them fly, it’s easy to adjust the lengths from the back of the cockpit if they are a problem.
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Thank you for this Olaf Hart.

Can you elaborate a little for me on the untie and let them fly concept? Are the tails led back to the cockpit already at this point and have you ever felt the runners risked becoming tangled in either the mast stays or other rigging, such as lazy jacks?

Matt