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Old 25-07-2023, 12:41   #91
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What you need is an inner stay babystay positioned below of the lowers according to your fear of mast inversion.

Experimenting with a rig and then testing it is risky business.

Inner stay and holy crap, your self tacking jib???

These things are thought before, do not take it the wrong way.
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Old 25-07-2023, 12:46   #92
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What you need is an inner stay babystay positioned below of the lowers according to your fear of mast inversion.

Experimenting with a rig and then testing it is risky business.

Inner stay and holy crap, your self tacking jib???

These things are thought before, do not take it the wrong way.


I don’t understand this post.

The last two sentences are not very clear to me
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Old 25-07-2023, 12:58   #93
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Well, what I want to say is that if you have a self tacking jib with a baby stay ,,it will be uncomfortable, you would also have to look for a strong point in the deck.


In my humble opinion, if this boat is designed with that rig, I would respect the original design, you have lengthened it with a section, okay, I think that may be the reason for your fear of mast inversion , I don't see any other way than with an inner forestay.
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Old 25-07-2023, 13:12   #94
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Well, what I want to say is that if you have a self tacking jib with a baby stay ,,it will be uncomfortable, you would also have to look for a strong point in the deck.


In my humble opinion, if this boat is designed with that rig, I would respect the original design, you have lengthened it with a section, okay, I think that may be the reason for your fear of mast inversion , I don't see any other way than with an inner forestay.
Hmmm.

no good decisions there.

i’m going to have to get the plans out and take a look. This is what happens when you buy a used rig. There are slight differences.

This is one of them.

The plans have a self tacking jib and no baby stay.
The mast has higher moments of inertia than the plans.
The mast is the same length as my sistership and very close to plan.

So I’ll just forget about the baby stay for now. And see how the mast works. if it’s pumping and looking like it kind of sucks, then I will deal with it.

Better to do nothing first and then fix it if it’s broken. Rather than fixing something that’s not broken.

The important thing is just getting it vertical. Then I can deal with the things that come at me after that.
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Ok , also forget the prebend thing , see how the boat perform with that rigging setup.
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Ok , also forget the prebend thing , see how the boat perform with that rigging setup.

already long forgotten. Lol

iíll just get it vertical and see what starts to happen.

Thanks for the input.
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The connectors on the martingale stay are Norseman.

They sure were NOT easy to open!

It involved massive wrenches and 6ft long pipes to get enough leverage.

How do I get the cap part off? There appears to be some gunk in there holding the wire in.

I'm concerned it might be epoxy.

First pic is looking into the cap part and you can see the stainless wire strands.

Second pic is looking into the end of the piece that would screw into the turnbuckle. The rod.

Thoughts?

Do I just hammer the cap down the wire, revealing something between the wires that's holding them inside the cap? Epoxy though.

Thankful I didn't cut into this epoxy and send myself to the hospital or morgue.

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Some form of sealant, not epoxy I think.

You put the wire in a vice with the fitting pointing up, then put a block of soft metal or hardwood on top and hammer it down.

Here are the conesÖ note the Dyform cones down the page: https://www.tylaska.com/product/norseman-gibb/
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The gunk is usually some acid free silicone...
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Flame torch gun, wear gloves..
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It’s epoxy. I looked online and it’s very common to put epoxy in Norseman fittings.
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Flame torch gun, wear gloves..

This is my plan. However, definitely concerned about all of the epoxy that will be flying off of it into the air.

Iíll need full disposable hazmat suit, thick gloves and supplied air breathing.

Does anyone else wonder why it takes me so long to do the boat? Takes me 10 times as long as everyone else to do a simple thing. So frustrating
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Re: Chotuís Advanced Standing Rigging Thread (lots of pics)

This is attempt # 345,678.....or sumptin' like that.

Let me know when the rig is up...post pictures !!!

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This is my plan. However, definitely concerned about all of the epoxy that will be flying off of it into the air.

Iíll need full disposable hazmat suit, thick gloves and supplied air breathing.

Does anyone else wonder why it takes me so long to do the boat? Takes me 10 times as long as everyone else to do a simple thing. So frustrating

Nahh, heat it until you see the epoxy boil a bit, and then whackkk!!!

Wear a good mask, it's very fast, you won't be exposed to almost anything.
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