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Old 12-10-2023, 03:28   #751
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So if you already have the turnbuckle eye fitting then you need the Hayne 3/4Ē pin toggle then maybe it would work?
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Old 12-10-2023, 03:51   #752
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So if you already have the turnbuckle eye fitting then you need the Hayne 3/4” pin toggle then maybe it would work?
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Yup. That’s how I was going to do it based on your idea at the end there.

Just get any 3/4” toggle and use it instead of the harken toggle.

I still need a much longer pin for the attachment to the crossbeam but that should be it.

This idea shortens the forestay by about an inch.

I will have to confirm that the furler doesn’t hang up on anything being closer to the crossbeam, but I can do that with the mast up
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Old 12-10-2023, 03:55   #753
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Yup. Thatís how I was going to do it based on your idea at the end there.



Just get any 3/4Ē toggle and use it instead of the harken toggle.


Ok, I was confused as to why you couldnít remove the Hayne toggle from the turnbuckle, but after looking at some pictures of the turnbuckle closely I now understand why. Sometimes a little sleep can clear the mud out of ones eyes!
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Ok, I was confused as to why you couldn’t remove the Hayne toggle from the turnbuckle, but after looking at some pictures of the turnbuckle closely I now understand why. Sometimes a little sleep can clear the mud out of ones eyes!
Not to mention my inability to express it properly. I was on major medication yesterday. Significant allergy problem. Hospital visit was only averted by taking the maximum dose of anti-histamine. That turns my brain into oatmeal so I’m sure I wasn’t clearly explaining things either.

Thanks for seeing it through. Ultimately, your idea was the right one. Mostly because it makes for less components and is more simple.
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Update: I ordered some cutting wheels and they will be here Monday. Thatís probably faster than ordering something for delivery.

I got 1/8Ē thick wheels for a drill. That way I can stick them down in the crack to hit that pin on the Hayn eye.

I figure a nice, relatively slow process will be more safe than a 65,000RPM angle grinder spinning a 1/8Ē disc in a crack/notch.

Iím pretty daring with power tools. But that one? Thatís just scary.
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Yacht rigger: How do I handle returns from such a distance?

The three-quarter inch toggle that you suggested and that I bought doesn’t fit. The slot is too narrow. Here is a picture of one that fits and the one that came from you is the shiny one

Was really hoping to get this on the lowers so I could integrated into the delay that I had on the mast stepping.

But it doesn’t fit. I have to stick an eye into that slot. And the eye is too wide for the slot
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Yacht rigger: How do I handle returns from such a distance?

The three-quarter inch toggle that you suggested and that I bought doesnít fit. The slot is too narrow. Here is a picture of one that fits and the one that came from you is the shiny one

Was really hoping to get this on the lowers so I could integrated into the delay that I had on the mast stepping.

But it doesnít fit. I have to stick an eye into that slot. And the eye is too wide for the slot

Ah sorry to hear that. Wow, those must be some thick eyes! That toggle fits eyes from Sta-lok, Hayn, and of course bluewave.

Just email orders@ and explain the issue. Mail it back, and we'll refund you.
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Ok. Thank you! No idea what brand the eyes are. Original equipment from the rig’s last re-rigging at Mack Sails
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Ok. Thank you! No idea what brand the eyes are. Original equipment from the rigís last re-rigging at Mack Sails
Even more strange.. Mack only uses sta-lok. Maybe the turnbuckle toggles were re-used.
Oh well. No big deal - the return I mean.
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These are actually to connect to the tangs on the mast itself. There are tangs for the lowers. Welded on.

The open jaw side goes over the tang and then the eye at the top of the lowers (swagged eye) goes in the slot in these double jaws.

Currently I have it kind of Jerry rigged. I just threw a shouldered pin into the hole in the tang and hung the lowers on the pin using a washer and a cotter pin.

So I can’t really put any force on that. Not much anyway.

Was really hoping to get this worked out before the mast goes up.

Does anyone know where I can get one that looks like the picture? With a wider gap? It’s a Ronstan product.

Found one in Australia

https://www.316shop.com.au/product-g...readed-toggles
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Also an update on the furler toggle debacle

I ordered some very thin grinding discs that I could put on a drill. I cut the Hayn permanent pins today to release the eye from the Hayn toggle.

I used the Hayn toggle, which fits my crossbeam, inside the furler like SMJ was talking about.

Mast is ready to go up when the crane gets a chance to work me in.

It would be awesome if I could find the right double jaw toggle in three-quarter inch to fit the eyes at the top of the lowers. Maybe I could get them next day shipped if I could find them.
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These are actually to connect to the tangs on the mast itself. There are tangs for the lowers. Welded on.

The open jaw side goes over the tang and then the eye at the top of the lowers (swagged eye) goes in the slot in these double jaws.

Currently I have it kind of Jerry rigged. I just threw a shouldered pin into the hole in the tang and hung the lowers on the pin using a washer and a cotter pin.

So I canít really put any force on that. Not much anyway.

Was really hoping to get this worked out before the mast goes up.

Does anyone know where I can get one that looks like the picture? With a wider gap? Itís a Ronstan product.

Found one in Australia

https://www.316shop.com.au/product-g...readed-toggles

I guess this may have already been covered (such a long thread)... what happened to the original toggles? Or did you have new wires made with just eyes on the end and no toggles?
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I guess this may have already been covered (such a long thread)... what happened to the original toggles? Or did you have new wires made with just eyes on the end and no toggles?
Actually this was never covered.

The one on the left above is the original toggle. There should be a pair of them for the lowers. I only seem to have one. I don’t know if I ever had two of them.

These are not new wires. These are old wires in OK condition. These are getting lashed at the chain plate using the lashing techniques we were all talking about.

So basically I’m just missing the one toggle.
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Ah ok. Yeah I don't know who would have a Ronstan toggle in stock. I could reach out to our rep, but last minute it's a long shot. I can try tomorrow.
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Also an update on the furler toggle debacle

I ordered some very thin grinding discs that I could put on a drill. I cut the Hayn permanent pins today to release the eye from the Hayn toggle.

I used the Hayn toggle, which fits my crossbeam, inside the furler like SMJ was talking about.

Mast is ready to go up when the crane gets a chance to work me in.

It would be awesome if I could find the right double jaw toggle in three-quarter inch to fit the eyes at the top of the lowers. Maybe I could get them next day shipped if I could find them.
Give NRG in Porstmouth a call. They have all the accumulated leftovers from the collapse of both Hall Spars and RigPro. Hayn, Navtec, Merriman-Holbrook, Harken, Facnor, Ronstan--there's tons of all that stuff in there. I'm doing some rigging next door today; maybe I'll poke around if I get a chance and let you know.
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