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Old 02-10-2023, 18:01   #631
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I would go for butyl, but I’d also throw that silicone as far away from the boat that I could. [emoji4]
Actually the silicone was amazing. Every tool or material has its use/purpose.

Aside from being fine (and required for warranties on some ports) for glazing, it is what I used to create this:





Silicone is absolutely essential and has worked magically in creating that interior (shower). Not at all finished in the pic, but the silicone can be seen, as can the brand new hatch workers in Florida destroyed. Look at all of the scratches and epoxy on it. That thing was brand new out of the box. There it is, less than 6 months later, after I installed it
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Old 02-10-2023, 18:07   #632
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I donít think I have much choice here actually. I have to go with butyl. Thereís nothing else that will work tomorrow.
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I donít think I have much choice here actually. I have to go with butyl. Thereís nothing else that will work tomorrow.


Better butyl than silicone, especially in that application! Iím a big fan of butyl.
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Better butyl than silicone, especially in that application! I’m a big fan of butyl.
I am also a big fan. I use it exclusively. I don’t use the goo at all except for in places that I really need it. Where it is used as an adhesive.

If I am looking to keep water out, it’s butyl

The hatch in that picture that’s all scratched up actually has 5200 around a trim ring. The deck on my boat is cambered so you need to make a trim ring for the hatches. 5200 holds that trim ring on. It also holds water out at the same time. The trim ring is not bolted in any way. It’s just held on by adhesive. That’s my only use for 5200 on the boat. It’s an adhesive.

Oh yeah. It goes inside a stayloc fitting too.
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I am also a big fan. I use it exclusively. I donít use the goo at all except for in places that I really need it. Where it is used as an adhesive.

If I am looking to keep water out, itís butyl

The hatch in that picture thatís all scratched up actually has 5200 around a trim ring. The deck on my boat is cambered so you need to make a trim ring for the hatches. 5200 holds that trim ring on. It also holds water out at the same time. The trim ring is not bolted in any way. Itís just held on by adhesive. Thatís my only use for 5200 on the boat. Itís an adhesive.

Oh yeah. It goes inside a stayloc fitting too.


Butyl in a staylocÖÖ.[emoji848]
Could it work?
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Butyl in a stayloc…….[emoji848]
Could it work?
Ha ha ha ha ha.

Someone else can try that one. I stuck with the 5200. Would be difficult to see the butyl squirting up through the 1x19 wire.

I guess under enough pressure, anything is possible. Lol

But it was my forestay. I didn’t experiment on anything with the mast.

Also, there are some pictures of the finished rig for the thread coming up. Showing the end result.
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Ha ha ha ha ha.

Someone else can try that one. I stuck with the 5200. Would be difficult to see the butyl squirting up through the 1x19 wire.

I guess under enough pressure, anything is possible. Lol

But it was my forestay. I didnít experiment on anything with the mast.

Also, there are some pictures of the finished rig for the thread coming up. Showing the end result.


Just trying to think out of the box, but maybe to far out of the box!
Looking forward to seeing the pictures of the rig up and running. Been a long time coming!
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Just trying to think out of the box, but maybe to far out of the box!
Looking forward to seeing the pictures of the rig up and running. Been a long time coming!
I think someone should try it.

Yeah I am just really petrified about the rigging stuff because it’s my first time. Trying not to make any mistakes or experiment on anything.

Someone could always try it and then see if it holds up keeping water out.
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Butyl for the masst step. You're not gluing it on, just bedding it. It's the bolts that'll hold it.
I only ever use goo or sealant if I'm trying to keep water out. But it's bolts that hold things together. Nothing bolted to my solid bulwark or transom is bedded, since there's nowhere for holes to leak.
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A bit late and I just got a wisdom tooth removed so my recommendations may be a bit off but I sure like butyl tape too. I used some stuff from Amazon which was so-so but then got the good stuff from Rod Collins and have been using that since. I read that itís available again
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A bit late and I just got a wisdom tooth removed so my recommendations may be a bit off but I sure like butyl tape too. I used some stuff from Amazon which was so-so but then got the good stuff from Rod Collins and have been using that since. I read that it’s available again
Ooof!!!!

I hear that is a pretty rough procedure. And the longer you wait in life the more rough it can be. Wow. Hope you are doing OK.

I have all four of them impacted with no symptoms so I have not looked at getting them out.

It has been butyl-ized.

Moved it so the mast can get stepped. Will clean up the deck/mess when repainting the deck.
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Ooof!!!!

I hear that is a pretty rough procedure. And the longer you wait in life the more rough it can be. Wow. Hope you are doing OK.

I have all four of them impacted with no symptoms so I have not looked at getting them out.

It has been butyl-ized.

Moved it so the mast can get stepped. Will clean up the deck/mess when repainting the deck.


I had 8 teeth pulled at the same time, 4 of them wisdom teeth. The wisdom teeth felt like the roots went down to the ear, the others were no problem.
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I had 8 teeth pulled at the same time, 4 of them wisdom teeth. The wisdom teeth felt like the roots went down to the ear, the others were no problem.
Wow!! No mercy from your dentist.
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I went to Aspen Dental which is new in town here in Titusville and must say it was perfect. This wasnít a difficult wisdom tooth extraction but yet roots go deep

I think butyl and polysulfide are both very good and the reason is that they donít really harden where there is no contact with the air.

Having used both, I think the 1-part Life-Caulk is equivalent to the beloved 3M101. The reason they stopped selling that imho is to enable selling the rest as everyone was using the 101.

I donít have experience with the 2-part polysulfide but think it must be amazing for applications like teak decks but not needed for bedding.

Butyl tape is handy in use and once you know to use a plastic card for cleanup, itís easy to handle the squeeze out.
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Permission to go back to the OP please?

The double diamond shown on the rigging schematic, should they not overlap? With both diamonds only 'touching' each other the mast would see quite a bit of bending moment in this location. If you see what I mean?

Maybe this was already discussed earlier.
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