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Old 14-09-2023, 05:18   #556
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Re: Chotuís Advanced Standing Rigging Thread (lots of pics)

My votes go to coal tar epoxy and black 5200
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Old 17-09-2023, 14:30   #557
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Ran into a problem

The "rigger" seems to have ordered incompatible hardware for my forestay.

What I am required to use is this Harken toggle, exactly as pictured in this Harken manual.






What I have is this. The pin you see in the toggle is permanently installed in the lower part of this turnbuckle/Stalock.




Any ideas on how to *quickly* remove this permanent pin so I can use the required Harken toggle?


Ideas presented so far are:

Cut with hacksaw and hammer out
Cut with cutting wheel and hammer out
Find a machine shop with a press

Any faster ideas??

Thank you!
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Old 17-09-2023, 14:39   #558
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An extra pic of the permanent toggle below.

Completed:

*Diamonds are tuned straight with 15% breaking strength
*Vhf whip installed with Lanocote and heat shrink wrap over the entire connector
*much trig done today to get forestay length - first simple Pythagorean to get forestay with no rake, then law of cosines to get forestay with 3.5ft rake

Only 3 things left

*Install furler on new forestay and cut to length
*Fix ham handed job someone did cutting bolt that holds tangs on - nylock won't thread on one mangled side of a bolt
*move mast step aft

Still haven't seen a good tutorial on how to finish off my "simple" temporary lashings and the mast goes up in a matter of days. Quite nervous about that and doing the Stalock on the forestay since it's my first time doing all of that.
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Old 17-09-2023, 15:02   #559
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good Lord, I finally found a good document on how to finish a lashing. Here it is.


https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...ionsRev1_3.pdf
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Ran into a problem

The "rigger" seems to have ordered incompatible hardware for my forestay.

What I am required to use is this Harken toggle, exactly as pictured in this Harken manual.






What I have is this. The pin you see in the toggle is permanently installed in the lower part of this turnbuckle/Stalock.




Any ideas on how to *quickly* remove this permanent pin so I can use the required Harken toggle?


Ideas presented so far are:

Cut with hacksaw and hammer out
Cut with cutting wheel and hammer out
Find a machine shop with a press

Any faster ideas??

Thank you!


Cut with cutting wheel and hammer out..

Although it would be best to look for a eye terminal without toggle.

If you cut it, you'll have to cut the pin flush with the terminal, make a mark in the center, lock the terminal in a press, and whackkkk, otherwise you may bend or damage it.
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Cut with cutting wheel and hammer out..

Although it would be best to look for a eye terminal without toggle.

If you cut it, you'll have to cut the pin flush with the terminal, make a mark in the center, lock the terminal in a press, and whackkkk, otherwise you may bend or damage it.
Thank you! I'll try to find a new eye terminal first. I have very little tike before the crane.
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Any thread readers want to see the math to get a forestay length for a raked mast knowing the following?


*distance from mast base to forestay attachment point on deck
*distance from forestay attachment point on mast to mast base (could be measured with a halyard in a pinch)
*the rake distance you'd like to set

Maybe it would help someone but I'm only putting it up if it's requested
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good Lord, I finally found a good document on how to finish a lashing. Here it is.


https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...ionsRev1_3.pdf
Yeah you just need a LH threaded eye for the bottom of the turnbuckle. I probably have 50 in stock. If it's 5/8" and you want one sent over I can get it out today.

That pin is pressed into that eye - I wouldn't recommend trying to cut it out - may be pretty jammed in there. I'm up in Boston after the Newport boatshow madness, so please just email the office if you want the eye - it's just called a LH threaded eye - 5/8" (or whatever the thread size is). They can ship it out. orders@theyachtrigger.com
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good Lord, I finally found a good document on how to finish a lashing. Here it is.


https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...ionsRev1_3.pdf
Yes! Just do this. Perfect, sorry, meant to get this up to you but it's been so chaotic these past few weeks.
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There is a hydraulic press at the marina. Thank God.

Removing the pin is outsourced.

I can continue with a couple other things. May not make the schedule, however which puts a planned 2-week event/course next week I'm supposed to be taking and signed up for a year ago into jeopardy.
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Yeah you just need a LH threaded eye for the bottom of the turnbuckle. I probably have 50 in stock. If it's 5/8" and you want one sent over I can get it out today.

That pin is pressed into that eye - I wouldn't recommend trying to cut it out - may be pretty jammed in there. I'm up in Boston after the Newport boatshow madness, so please just email the office if you want the eye - it's just called a LH threaded eye - 5/8" (or whatever the thread size is). They can ship it out. orders@theyachtrigger.com
Thank you very much for the offer. They should be able to squeeze it out with the hydraulic press I think.

I didn’t even realize the Newport boat show was this week.

Hopefully you get a little rest in Boston. At least have some clam chowder and some haddock or lobster
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Thank you very much for the offer. They should be able to squeeze it out with the hydraulic press I think.

I didnít even realize the Newport boat show was this week.

Hopefully you get a little rest in Boston. At least have some clam chowder and some haddock or lobster
"Chowda & Lobsta" - check!
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Chotu, your lashing is different from others on standing rigging because you use turnbuckles for tensioning instead of the lashing.

Your lashing is just for lengthening the shrouds.

This means you can ignore the ďuneven loadingĒ of turns, which only occurs when the shroud is tensioned with the lashing.

So, while totally not important during stepping of the mast, I recommend to use a frapping using small stuff like Lash-it in the spot where the hitches go, then do those hitches over the frapping.

See attachment for what the frapping looks like. That Rigging Doctor guy on YouTube shows how to do them really tight. The frapping alone will hold the lashing, this means that even when a turn of the lashing breaks, the other turns still hold, donít slip out.

I bought Samson Lash-it (you can also use Zing-it) on Amazon.
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Chotu, your lashing is different from others on standing rigging because you use turnbuckles for tensioning instead of the lashing.

Your lashing is just for lengthening the shrouds.

This means you can ignore the “uneven loading” of turns, which only occurs when the shroud is tensioned with the lashing.

So, while totally not important during stepping of the mast, I recommend to use a frapping using small stuff like Lash-it in the spot where the hitches go, then do those hitches over the frapping.

See attachment for what the frapping looks like. That Rigging Doctor guy on YouTube shows how to do them really tight. The frapping alone will hold the lashing, this means that even when a turn of the lashing breaks, the other turns still hold, don’t slip out.

I bought Samson Lash-it (you can also use Zing-it) on Amazon.

Thank you.


And cool!!! I already have some of that frapping line (see pic).

So I will follow the procedure in the PDF link that I gave above just for stepping the mast. Then when I redo things in order to start sailing in the spring, I will use the frapping and make it really nice.

I can see why people get into this. It seems like it could be kind of fun. I know I always enjoy doing my chain to rope splice on my anchor tackle. I also love doing that crazy knot I use for my bridles.

By the way, this frapping stuff is incredibly strong!

A couple turns of it is all that held my mast support at the bow up from the Carolinas to here.

Now, where is that feature so I can mark this as an important post in the thread? I still think we need that. There will probably be a few more posts between now and when the rig is up. Even after the rig is up, there might be some discussion.
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I think that line looks too big diameter. The Lash-it I have is 2.2 mm
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