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Old 11-03-2023, 10:06   #1
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Attachment points on underside of the boom failed, need new hardware.

I have a 2007 Beneteau Cyclades 393 with broken hardware (metal loop riveted in underside boom track). So far I have not been able to find a replacement or a similar solution for tying reef lines or blocks to the boom. Does anyone know of a source for these.

Photos of hardware if I did this right.
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Old 11-03-2023, 12:07   #2
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Re: Attachment points on underside of the boom failed, need new hardware.

Can't help with the hardware replacement, but we've used webbing strops sewn around the boom for such attachments for years. Cheap and easy to make, and spreads the loads out better than a hard point attachment does.

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Re: Attachment points on underside of the boom failed, need new hardware.

That looks like it might be called a hinged eye plate or hinged padeye, though a quick search doesn't bring up anything quite like it. I have a few somewhat similar fittings on my boom, but only for lower load uses. The rivets used to attach the plate limit its strength. For higher loads, such as reefing lines, my boom has paddies that are set from inside the boom, so the rivets just hold them in place, and the load is taken by the base of the eye pushing against the inside of the boom. Either that or a bale around the boom if you don't use a bolt rope on the sail.
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Re: Attachment points on underside of the boom failed, need new hardware.

Looks like Isomat https://www.rigrite.com/Spars/SparPa...20Boom%20Bails
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Re: Attachment points on underside of the boom failed, need new hardware.

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I have a 2007 Beneteau Cyclades 393 with broken hardware (metal loop riveted in underside boom track). So far I have not been able to find a replacement or a similar solution for tying reef lines or blocks to the boom. Does anyone know of a source for these.

Photos of hardware if I did this right.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/YVQVnnr6ccJRjn5UA
This help?

https://sailcare.com/mast-and-boom-fittings-by-viadana/
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Old 11-03-2023, 17:15   #6
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Re: Attachment points on underside of the boom failed, need new hardware.

Check the manufacturer of the mast and boom. If you have a Z Spars boom, Rig Rite has parts for ZSpars. It lists in the catalog as a Boom Bail Ass’y. Part # Heavy Duty Z3045AW

https://www.rigrite.com/Spars/Zspar/...Z-360_boom.php

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Re: Attachment points on underside of the boom failed, need new hardware.

I see you got your answer but were you really using that for reefing? It looks like it might have been used for something else.
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Old 12-03-2023, 06:13   #8
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Re: Attachment points on underside of the boom failed, need new hardware.

Thank you for all the responses. Yes, the main does have a bolt rope otherwise the bale or webbing strop would be the clear winner. I'm new to the boat and was not sure if those points were used for reefing. I did suspect that use is exactly how the hardware was broken to begin with. This boat was sailed in the Virgin Islands for a number of years and was not used for off shore sailing. I'm working toward getting all those deficiencies remedied because I do plan some limited offshore passages. Thank you for the two vender website suggestions. I see a number of possibilities there and I had not seen those sights before.
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...I'm working toward getting all those deficiencies remedied because I do plan some limited offshore passages...
Here is Beneteau's own description of the Cyclades series in its marketing materials:

"An affordable easy-to-sail range for perfect seaside holidays."

That does not read as a line of boats designed for offshore passages. Your problems with the boom should certainly give you pause for concern. Are you sure that boat is durable enough for your offshore passage plans?
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Here is Beneteau's own description of the Cyclades series in its marketing materials:

"An affordable easy-to-sail range for perfect seaside holidays."

That does not read as a line of boats designed for offshore passages. Your problems with the boom should certainly give you pause for concern. Are you sure that boat is durable enough for your offshore passage plans?
I have just short of 5000 offshore miles on the Atlantic. I have a number of fellow competent crew connections with far more miles than that, all people I have sailed with before. With a crew of 3 and a carefully chosen weather window I am confident of a safe passage. Some crew has already sailed this boat across the Atlantic. Many people argue crew competency is more of the determining factor in making a safe passage. As to the boats durability, you only need to look at the boats that have sailed many times in the ARC and other rallies.
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Re: Attachment points on underside of the boom failed, need new hardware.

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Can't help with the hardware replacement, but we've used webbing strops sewn around the boom for such attachments for years. Cheap and easy to make, and spreads the loads out better than a hard point attachment does.

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Hi Jim. Do you have a reference anywhere that provides instructions and a diagram for these strops. I want to attach my preventers to the boom end with one instead of in the manner I did, which doesn't look strong enough.

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Re: Attachment points on underside of the boom failed, need new hardware.

just use a cowloop in your preventer if Dyneema or a bowline if non slippery line like Dacron double braid. You only use the fitting on the bottom of the boom to hold the strop in place from sliding down the boom, The load is taken by the webbing or line wrapped around the boom. Google "boom strop"



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Re: Attachment points on underside of the boom failed, need new hardware.

Another way to do it.


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Re: Attachment points on underside of the boom failed, need new hardware.

Scubaseas in post #4 identified it for you already. That is an Isomat boom, and he gave you the link to rig-rite in Florida who stock the replacement bails.

Judging by the look of the fittings in that photo, I’d give every part of that boom a very, very careful inspection, and replace anything that looked suspect.

For that bail to fail like that it just have had very heavy corrosion for a long time… so I’d be wondering what else in the system also was subjected to similar corrosion.

Is the boom original to the boat, or could it perhaps be a salvage job from a hurricane wreck?
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