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Old 07-07-2022, 08:11   #16
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Re: Why momentary switches on shower drains?

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Owned a Seawind 1000 and now a Seawind 1160. Both have push/pull switches for the shower sump, i.e., pull to turn on, push to turn off.
Same thing for us. This came on our boat - Pacific Seacraft 40. Works fine
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Old 07-07-2022, 23:50   #17
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Re: Why momentary switches on shower drains?

On our Bavaria Vision, you turn the shower pump on at the panel and it starts when it gets water in it, then shuts off when dry. Works really well and gets away from having to turn on a switch to start pumping ... that was how our previous boat worked and as others have said was a PITA
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Old 08-07-2022, 07:08   #18
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Re: Why momentary switches on shower drains?

I have a vessel once in charter for 2 years, I still have the gulper foot peddles in my 3 heads. I don’t find it much of a bother. I find the foot peddles more times than not on accident, I’ve changer almost everything related to charter wear, what I have not changed are the things that have not worn. They work well so I leave them, when they do not work I may be motivated to put a switch up…and maybe address the hole in the floor.

I understand your frustration but ya gotta stand somewhere no? I put the ball of my foot on the “peddle” and keep it going on off really without thought. I do many things simultaneously so washing my body and operating a foot pump is no big deal.
Full disclosure most of the time I use my transom shower, plenty of hot water, no need for drainage and I enjoy the view.
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I have a vessel once in charter for 2 years, I still have the gulper foot peddles in my 3 heads. I don’t find it much of a bother. I find the foot peddles more times than not on accident, I’ve changer almost everything related to charter wear, what I have not changed are the things that have not worn. They work well so I leave them, when they do not work I may be motivated to put a switch up…and maybe address the hole in the floor.

I understand your frustration but ya gotta stand somewhere no? I put the ball of my foot on the “peddle” and keep it going on off really without thought. I do many things simultaneously so washing my body and operating a foot pump is no big deal.
Full disclosure most of the time I use my transom shower, plenty of hot water, no need for drainage and I enjoy the view.
A foot pedal would indeed be a decent compromise and a big improvement from what I have experienced which is an inconveniently located tiny switch usually just above knee height that you have to press quite hard and hold with your finger through a rubber boot. It usually requires bending down the entire time, and as an extra bonus some have it awkwardly located just outside the shower proper so you have to reach out and around something while dripping water everywhere.
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Old 08-07-2022, 11:08   #20
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A foot pedal would indeed be a decent compromise and a big improvement from what I have experienced which is an inconveniently located tiny switch usually just above knee height that you have to press quite hard and hold with your finger through a rubber boot. It usually requires bending down the entire time, and as an extra bonus some have it awkwardly located just outside the shower proper so you have to reach out and around something while dripping water everywhere.


Not sure why one would want a foot switch , surely a simple on off is all that’s needed
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Not sure why one would want a foot switch , surely a simple on off is all that’s needed
Yes, I retrofitted an on/of which is definitely best. I was just commenting that a foot switch while not ideal would address the charter "leave it on by mistake" potential issue while being a lot friendlier than the actual momentary switches I've experienced. Of course so would a timer or water sensing switch, but apparently those are too expensive/complex for the charter manufacturers.
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Re: Why momentary switches on shower drains?

We have a momentary switch and have absolutely no problem with it. Shower water collects in a sink / recepticle beneath the perforated floor. When done showering, press the switch to pump the collected water out. Takes 10 seconds. The pump is an impeller type, so can’t run dry. No need to press the switch during showering, no need for two noisy running pumps (the water pressure pump is running also ).
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We have a momentary switch and have absolutely no problem with it. Shower water collects in a sink / recepticle beneath the perforated floor. When done showering, press the switch to pump the collected water out. Takes 10 seconds. The pump is an impeller type, so can’t run dry. No need to press the switch during showering, no need for two noisy running pumps (the water pressure pump is running also ).


Because my shower base is close to the hull my sump is small and conveniently located so that the water never collects in it , inevitably collecting in the diametrically opposite corner depending on the aspect the boat is taking. !!!!

Hence the need for a “ sweeping “ motion of the right foot to slosh water into the sump, keeping a strong spring loaded push button pushed began to resemble a game of Twister !!
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Re: Why momentary switches on shower drains?

You obviously need another, better designed boat. Not just a different switch
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You obviously need another, better designed boat. Not just a different switch
Or less gear in the port locker
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Old 11-07-2022, 07:31   #26
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Re: Why momentary switches on shower drains?

Most boats have a on/off switch. I’ve never heard of that but I’d bet it’s what the charter industry uses because of the shear numbers and skill levels of the sailors that use those boats.
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Old 11-07-2022, 09:58   #27
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Re: Why momentary switches on shower drains?

To funny, must be the charter boats and boaters, 90% of this forum has spent time chartering. It is not a difficult thing to operate the foot peddle, I’ve been on May vessels with many different people, crossed oceans all that fun stuff, I have herd the pump running long after individuals have left the shower.

It’s about Energy.
it’s about energy conservation and consumption, it’s designed to conserve energy, on both the shower bilge and the water pump, and heck yes you use less water so less water maker power, and by the way it forces the guests/crew to get on with it, there on a sailboat not the four seasons.

So the green squad, the electric motor peeps, the tree huggers, the leave no trace-ers, the Vat tax enthusiasts should be banging pots to get the foot peddle shower pump into there boats.
To be clear I consider my self all of the above.
I like my foot peddle, when I am to old and feeble to operate the peddle while showering I may put a smooth rock on it then just remove it when I’m done.
Maybe even tie a string around the rock so I don’t even have to bend down.

Sometimes the peanut gallery use the terms “charter boats” and “production boats” like derogatory slurs, those boat have gotten the majority of people that are sailing today out there.
Those foot peddle charter boats are crossing oceans on a regular basis don’t be a hater.
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Re: Why momentary switches on shower drains?

In the USA this Rule shower drain kit is available for $100 less on Ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/15409148437...Bk9SR7CNoO29YA
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On our Lagoon400, the shower drain pumps are on time switch.
Push once, it operates for 13 sec.
If there is water still, you push again.
That's the French solution--works pretty well.

You can always avoid the problems by using buckets of seawater in the cockpit.
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Re: Why momentary switches on shower drains?

My shower pan bilge pump is powered via my potable water pump switch. The shower pump won't come on unless it senses water in the shower pan.
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