Washing Machine Technology?

[GILow]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

Have you owned one? Why not?

I loved mine.

Never owned one but pulled a few out over the years.

Great when they worked. However they have a well deserved reputation for complex failures and expensive repairs. Warranty is worthless when the parts cannot be obtained.

Glad you loved yours, but you would be on the minority after a year or two.

[s/v Jedi]

Originally Posted by GILow

Never owned one but pulled a few out over the years.

Great when they worked. However they have a well deserved reputation for complex failures and expensive repairs. Warranty is worthless when the parts cannot be obtained.

Glad you loved yours, but you would be on the minority after a year or two.

Enjoyed it for four years in our motorhome. Countless friends who had them also enjoyed them without problems.

Their wikipedia page shows Australians gave them four stars out of five and their dishwashers are the most efficient in the world and more efficient than doing the dishes by hand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher...kel_Appliances

Are you so negative because you’re Australian and this is a New Zealand company..

[GILow]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

Enjoyed it for four years in our motorhome. Countless friends who had them also enjoyed them without problems.

Their wikipedia page shows Australians gave them four stars out of five and their dishwashers are the most efficient in the world and more efficient than doing the dishes by hand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisher...kel_Appliances

Are you so negative because you’re Australian and this is a New Zealand company..

We Aussies love our NZ neighbours. We particularly love taking credit for their best bands and race horses.

But seriously, you looked at their own Wikipedia entry for an unbiased rating?

Maybe have a look at consumer review aggregating sites, like productreview.com.au. The reviews speak for themselves.

https://www.productreview.com.au/lis...hdrawer?page=2

Like most FP products there’s an initial warm fuzzy glow of having spent a lot of money on a “high end” product, followed by a period of increasing horror as the high end issues arise.

True, F&P are innovators and produce interesting stuff. But the metal recyclers are full of their interesting products because they are too complex, poorly engineered and the parts chain is abysmal. Upside to this is there a bazillion direct drive washing machine motors to had for a song and converted into wind generators. Good job by F&P there I think.

There are not many good dishwashers out there in my experience. But paying through the nose for one of the lemons is just silly. I tell my clients, particularly the rentals market, to buy some old workhorse like a Dishlex so at least when it goes tits up they won’t have blown much dosh.

I’ve put a Devanti in the KP44. A bit under AU$300 when I bought it. Experience of people I know says it will give me three to five years at least. Unless the marine environment decides to kill it earlier. But super simple to fix and cheap to replace when the time comes. Washes well once you figure out how to stack it right, quiet as a mouse and reasonably frugal on power and water.

Nothing to prove on this boat.

[s/v Jedi]

Originally Posted by GILow

We Aussies love our NZ neighbours. We particularly love taking credit for their best bands and race horses.

But seriously, you looked at their own Wikipedia entry for an unbiased rating?

Maybe have a look at consumer review aggregating sites, like productreview.com.au. The reviews speak for themselves.

https://www.productreview.com.au/lis...hdrawer?page=2

Like most FP products there’s an initial warm fuzzy glow of having spent a lot of money on a “high end” product, followed by a period of increasing horror as the high end issues arise.

True, F&P are innovators and produce interesting stuff. But the metal recyclers are full of their interesting products because they are too complex, poorly engineered and the parts chain is abysmal. Upside to this is there a bazillion direct drive washing machine motors to had for a song and converted into wind generators. Good job by F&P there I think.

There are not many good dishwashers out there in my experience. But paying through the nose for one of the lemons is just silly. I tell my clients, particularly the rentals market, to buy some old workhorse like a Dishlex so at least when it goes tits up they won’t have blown much dosh.

I’ve put a Devanti in the KP44. A bit under AU$300 when I bought it. Experience of people I know says it will give me three to five years at least. Unless the marine environment decides to kill it earlier. But super simple to fix and cheap to replace when the time comes. Washes well once you figure out how to stack it right, quiet as a mouse and reasonably frugal on power and water.

Nothing to prove on this boat.

Man this is difficult. I’ll try to explain : companies can not write their own Wikipedia articles. Editors do and they must use reliable sources as the basis for them. Those articles are then reviewed by other editors as well as bots.

The reviews you link are 9 years old. Such review sites only get negative reviews because nobody goes there to write a positive review. Yet you only need a handful of reviews to get 9 years back in time.

When you read those, they complain about units 11 years old, or a recalled unit that wasn’t replaced in time, or people who can’t load it properly and so on.

We used one for years; when used as the manual describes, they work well and there are very compact models for mobile applications. In my house I have a Samsung with linear drive element which is great but can never fit in a sailboat. Of course a small drawer style unit has limited functionality compared to full size models but we’re talking about use on boats here.

Please link products that are better suited.

[GILow]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

Man this is difficult. I’ll try to explain :
….

Actually, your comprehension is the problem, not the explanation.

The review sites all have their strengths. The one linked by the Wikipedia article (and yes, I know how Wikipedia works, I’ve got some contributions in there of my own) is the sort that has mostly new owners who are still on the warm fuzzy glow of consumerism.

The site I linked is where people go after they’ve owned the defective monster long enough for the glow to wear off. Yep, that link was for the older model, but trawl through the same site and you’ll find even more damning reviews of the newer model.

We all choose our information sources.

And we all bring life experiences to the game.

I’ve run a home handyman business for nearly ten years now and I learned that the F&P stuff is not the stuff of dreams. It’s the stuff that leaves in my trailer.

I wish I could tell my clients of a great brand to buy, but great brands are rare and variation between models makes it a guessing game anyway.

I just don’t drink the Kool-aid.

[edlithgow]

Clothes washing I use a bucket, and here in Taiwan I have a re-purposed polyethylene traffic bollard which has a circular base flange with bolt holes in it that I use as an agitater. In Scotland I used a commercial grade toilet/sink-unblocking plunger, but they dont seem to be available here. I also used a spin-dryer, which may still be available.


I wonder if there are any washing machines using reciprocating rather than rotary agitation? Certainly seems to be effective at forcing water through the fabric in wash and rinse phases.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

. . . and more efficient than doing the dishes by hand.. ..

I think all dishwashers are more efficient than doing by hand. One of the reasons I would really like to have one.