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13-10-2010, 10:04
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Fittings, and How to Install a Solenoid, on a Propane Tank
I have a propane system for cooking and heating on board my HR31.
There is no solenoid attached to it. Recently I changed from copper to high pressure hose system. While I am at it I would like to install a solenoid as well. I need to know what extra fittings I shall need to go between the solenoid, the regulator and the rubber hose.
Any help would be highly appreciated
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13-10-2010, 10:40
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Hard to say exactly what you need as we do not know what fittings you have already. I will say the solenoid goes on the low pressure side of of the regulator. If you have room connect it directly to the regulator. If space does not allow you can use a short piece of hose to connect it to the regulator. Keep all these fittings in the sealed storage area. Of course the stove feed hose is connected to the other side of the solenoid. Usually these fittings are 1/4" NPT hope that helps
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13-10-2010, 10:44
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I made a propane installation for a friend of mine this spring (caravan, but still the same) and we got a valve that was designed to fit directly onto the the regulator. 12-57010 in the att picture. It has the same thread for both inlet and outlet as the regulator itself. The 12-57011 is intended for inline pipe mounting. Now, these items are probably not available where you´re at, or maybe not even using the same system when it comes to threads, but I just wanted to help out a little.. Meaning that the fittings you need to buy will have to be of the same threading as the regulator or hose fittings. I would advice against using a solenoid not intended for propane use. With the valve we used, we didnt have to buy anything extra to install it. Other than a "fake car alarm thingy" that we used for being aware that the propane valve was open.
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13-10-2010, 10:45
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And oc I forgot the image
You read it as: (from left to right)
Item #
Inlet(inside thread)
Outlet(outside thread)
Max pressure
Throughput, kilos/hr
Power
1.5 mtrs of cable supplied, and Water protection class IP54, the rest is just a product description and a 230V -> 12V converter
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13-10-2010, 12:39
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Nearly an old salt
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Recently I changed from copper to high pressure hose system
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and in doing so you have invalidated the boats CE rating, BTW. (if built after 1994)
dave
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13-10-2010, 13:10
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Originally Posted by goboatingnow
and in doing so you have invalidated the boats CE rating, BTW. (if built after 1994)
dave
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Correct me if I´m wrong, but doesn´t that apply to even the smallest of changes.. i.e the valve itself?
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13-10-2010, 14:35
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NO not as long as you stay within the ISO specs. ( Gas piping being anealed copper being one). In general small repairs and additons staying within the ISO specs, keep the boat to CE standards ( not that anyones checking). Major modifications ( engine repowers etc) are a whole other case
I am being a little facetious here, theres no requirement to maintain a CE boat "in class", other then engine emmisions and byepass noise ( a whole can of worms in itself).
dave
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13-10-2010, 14:40
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Do most cruisers care about the CE rating of their boats? I know I don't.
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13-10-2010, 14:58
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Check out Trident's website for some good basic info'
➥ Trident Marine: LPG Diagram 1
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13-10-2010, 15:18
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Do most cruisers care about the CE rating of their boats? I know I don't.
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most certanily if you buy or sell your boat in Europe. otherwise not at all.
dave
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13-10-2010, 16:27
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Propane Heating in HR31
Thanks for the reply and suggestions.
I actually am fluent in Swedish and can read the catalogue.
The propane container used in the US has the same thread so I may be able to get the fittings here in the US. Moreover just now I downloaded the Installation recommendations made by the manufacturer of my Solenoid valve; model 581/Marinetics Corporation, from their website.
On the other hand I would like to change my pressure reducing valve as well. If you know of an outlet where they sell these valves please let me know even if the company is in Sweden.
Many thanks
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Originally Posted by KillerBoo
And oc I forgot the image
You read it as: (from left to right)
Item #
Inlet(inside thread)
Outlet(outside thread)
Max pressure
Throughput, kilos/hr
Power
1.5 mtrs of cable supplied, and Water protection class IP54, the rest is just a product description and a 230V -> 12V converter
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14-10-2010, 01:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sindbaad
Thanks for the reply and suggestions.
I actually am fluent in Swedish and can read the catalogue.
The propane container used in the US has the same thread so I may be able to get the fittings here in the US. Moreover just now I downloaded the Installation recommendations made by the manufacturer of my Solenoid valve; model 581/Marinetics Corporation, from their website.
On the other hand I would like to change my pressure reducing valve as well. If you know of an outlet where they sell these valves please let me know even if the company is in Sweden.
Many thanks
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I could get it to you if you can´t find it nearby
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14-10-2010, 01:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sailvayu
I will say the solenoid goes on the low pressure side of of the regulator. If you have room connect it directly to the regulator.
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Not disagreeing here, but I was in an anchorage when an explosion occured on a cat not far from me. It felt like my boat had been hit hard. The guys propane regulator leaked at the factory crimped spot over the valve stem. Shooting from the hip on my discription here. All I can say is, it makes it a little hard to feel like you're getting it right just because you follow the rules.
He was lucky in that it really didn't do any damage. Just a ball of flame and it was done. That's how the evidence survived.
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14-10-2010, 15:17
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Thanks again for the offer.
The pressure reducing valve is the typical orange coloured valve with a blue plastic stoppper at the top.
I also need some fitting valves to connect the solenoid to the container and the supply line. I shall look up the items here. If I could not find them I may trouble you on the offer.
Mind you I do not pay MOMS as the items are exported. It usually covers the costs of postage and packing.
I will let you know.
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