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17-12-2014, 05:26
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?
Edson calls theirs “ Aft Mounted Rack and Pinion (or Worm) Steerers”
➥ http://www.edsonmarine.com/tradition...Catalog_T1.pdf
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17-12-2014, 05:28
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?
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Originally Posted by Tx J
How 'bout: 'Bawl Buster', 'Eunuchmaker', 'Neutralizer', 'OwwwieWowie', ? .
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Pretty darn accurate...
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Originally Posted by roverhi
The wheels at a slight angle and wheel axle facing aft are Worm Gear wheels as Bobalu said. They were relatively common 40-60 years ago. More robust than cable steering but not much feedback. The Allied Seawind 30, the first FRP boat to circumnavigate, typically had this type of wheel.
The others that you pictured look like typical wheels for cable steered pedestals just not the most current designs or locations.
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Probably my LEAST favorite thing about a Union is the helm... Worm gear is about as much feedback as a burlap and duct tape condom... And sometimes just as painful...
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17-12-2014, 05:34
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?
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Originally Posted by Steady Hand
Hello.
Most recently built boats have their wheel on a pedestal in the cockpit.
I have come across a few boats that have the wheel NOT on a pedestal, but in a position that looks like those on more traditional (older) styled boats or old boats.
I don't know what this position of wheel is called. I am curious. What is this type of wheel position called?
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worm gear steering. is the best system, supposedly for steering your cruiser.
fewer breakdowns etc, reportedly. more sensitivity, supposedly. more accuracy supposedly.
i have not used it but the folks i know who have LOVED theirs. mariner 40 has this
i like the system i have, so i have never been tempted to try it.. looks more painful than necessary
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17-12-2014, 07:36
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?
I used to have an Allied Seawing Mk. II.
I'd throw a beanbag chair in the corner of the cockpit (to windward or leeward depending on conditions) and be incredibly comfortable while steering with one hand.
Never had any complaints about sensitivity.
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17-12-2014, 11:46
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?
My guess was it was to eliminate the reverse reaction of the tiller. It probably came about the time more affluent people where getting into yachting. A few drinks and the tiller became confusing.
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17-12-2014, 12:14
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?
There are two types here, one is a worm gear and the other is a rack and pinion.
The worm gear has zero feedback.
I have the latter (rack and pinion) on my boat.....there is feedback but seeing as the rudder is unbalanced and weighs every bit of 200 lbs it matters little how much feedback there is.
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17-12-2014, 12:28
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?
The photos of the steering near the stern are usually of gear drive systems. A small gear off the wheel shaft drives a quadrant gear on the rudder shaft etc....
There were a few Asian built boats that had that too....
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17-12-2014, 13:51
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?
Bluenose II: An iconic schooner reborn – Canada’s History | Dean Jobb
This steering wheel position was "invented" in Nova Scotia, for schooners,in particular,the Bluenose.It made it much easier for the helmsman to keep an eye on American schooners, that were always trailing behind.
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17-12-2014, 14:04
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?
I always thought these wheel positions were pretty ideal for a cruising boat. Aft out of the way. As long as the autopilot keeps working and you only have to steer for short periods during passages... Storms, entrances, other tricky bits of steering.
Now, for day sailing, it would be about as fun as eating a pile of poop with a toothpick.
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17-12-2014, 14:35
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?
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Originally Posted by Fiveslide
I always thought these wheel positions were pretty ideal for a cruising boat. Aft out of the way. As long as the autopilot keeps working and you only have to steer for short periods during passages... Storms, entrances, other tricky bits of steering.
Now, for day sailing, it would be about as fun as eating a pile of poop with a toothpick.
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Except for the leaned back angle my IP is exactly like those, and you are exactly correct, to me it's uncomfortable and difficult to stand as your hunched over to get to the wheel.
I believe you have nailed the advantages and disadvantages well, until I got an autopilot, I hated the helm position, spending hours there had my back hurtng.
The IP has a rack and pinion system, which is simple, strong and has good feedback, reason it's the preferred system for sports cars, but it ain't elegant or comfortable.
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17-12-2014, 14:44
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?
I found a photo showing a Traditional Sailor and how he looks after spending a long time behind the Worm Gear Traditional Position wheel of his boat.
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17-12-2014, 15:14
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?
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Originally Posted by Fiveslide
I always thought these wheel positions were pretty ideal for a cruising boat. Aft out of the way. As long as the autopilot keeps working and you only have to steer for short periods during passages... Storms, entrances, other tricky bits of steering.
Now, for day sailing, it would be about as fun as eating a pile of poop with a toothpick.
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Actually, I'm thinkin just the opposite... great for day sailing , but who wants to sit back there in the cold cruising? .... closer to the dodger the better! of course your "as long as the AP.." is correct!
How in the world do you dock with that? try to steer behind you when you are standing in front of the wheel?
Also, I think you want to sit to the side of that wheel most the time!
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17-12-2014, 15:49
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?
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17-12-2014, 15:57
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?
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Originally Posted by Cheechako
Actually, I'm thinkin just the opposite... great for day sailing , but who wants to sit back there in the cold cruising? .... closer to the dodger the better! of course your "as long as the AP.." is correct!
How in the world do you dock with that? try to steer behind you when you are standing in front of the wheel?
Also, I think you want to sit to the side of that wheel most the time!
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Day sailing I really like it, I either sit to the side of it or behind it. Passagemaking it's great unless either the windvane or the AP dies.
Docking is no problem, just kneel next to it on the cockpit seat and the engine controls are right at your fingertips. Unless it's hard to see , then you stand up and steer with your right foot.
But it is bullet proof.
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17-12-2014, 16:35
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Re: What Is This Called? Traditional Wheel Position?
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Originally Posted by Cheechako
How in the world do you dock with that? try to steer behind you when you are standing in front of the wheel
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Reverse in, looking astern.
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