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Old 15-03-2022, 18:32   #76
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Does anyone know if Australia has a similar regulation to Cat 1? or is it just a border clearance concerning passports and reviewing boat ownership and flag registrations etc? Cheers
No requirements on foreign flagged boats other than normal documentation and p/p etc.

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Old 15-03-2022, 18:41   #77
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Thank you Jim, May God bless Australia! and the common sense of its beautiful people lol

I feel good knowing Im on the right track. Cheers
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No requirements on foreign flagged boats other than normal documentation and p/p etc.

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actually no particular requirement on national flag either. each state has some regs for safety gear on boats going offshore but they are almost embarrassingly basic. only item of consequence is an epirb

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If you want to quietly leave NZ without checking out, I know of a little island not 2000 miles away where they issued me exit papers, but could have cared less about my previous port.
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They are too busy screwing over the natives to be bothered with the foreigners.
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If you want to quietly leave NZ without checking out, I know of a little island not 2000 miles away where they issued me exit papers, but could have cared less about my previous port.
mmmm sounds like a dodgy deal to me LOL where is that island?
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They are too busy screwing over the natives to be bothered with the foreigners.
you are so right, we are punished for exiting NZ , however the question begs to ask, with a NZ flag boat exiting Australia and if I am in trouble in the South Pacific, NZ still has to come to rescue me under the law! I hope I will never need it.
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you are so right, we are punished for exiting NZ , however the question begs to ask, with a NZ flag boat exiting Australia and if I am in trouble in the South Pacific, NZ still has to come to rescue me under the law! I hope I will never need it.

The flag country of a boat has no bearing on the primary rescue authority - that’s based on the geographical location of the rescue. They will check EPIRB and boat registration authorities for identification and communications with land-based emergency contacts, which may all be different countries.

In our case, a UK-registered vessel, one US-registered and one NZ-registered EPIRB, and emergency contacts in Canada and NZ. If we were to set off one or both EPIRBs in the eastern North Pacific the primary rescue authority would likely be US or Canada. UK, NZ and US rescue centres would be contacted depending on which EPIRB signal is received.
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you are so right, we are punished for exiting NZ , however the question begs to ask, with a NZ flag boat exiting Australia and if I am in trouble in the South Pacific, NZ still has to come to rescue me under the law! I hope I will never need it.
Er, no they don't. It would be down to whatever nation's area of responsibility you are in. In the SoPac a remarkably large area is the responsibility of either France or Chile.

And also - if you are any distance offshore the will ask a passing merchant ship to pick you up and if that ship's next port is in Angola that is where they are going to land you.
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well then the cat 1 requirement makes no sense at all if thats the case... if NZ is not responsible then why care if I am safe or not under its flag.
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The flag country of a boat has no bearing on the primary rescue authority - that’s based on the geographical location of the rescue. They will check EPIRB and boat registration authorities for identification and communications with land-based emergency contacts, which may all be different countries.

In our case, a UK-registered vessel, one US-registered and one NZ-registered EPIRB, and emergency contacts in Canada and NZ. If we were to set off one or both EPIRBs in the eastern North Pacific the primary rescue authority would likely be US or Canada. UK, NZ and US rescue centers would be contacted depending on which EPIRB signal is received.
thank you very much I wasn't aware of this, and this info is so absent in NZ forums, everyone thinks that the Rescue Coordination Centre New Zealand is responsible for alerting the local authorities to rescue you. Certainly there are mixed messages here in NZ then, we are even taught this in Boat master courses that if you are in trouble your Epirb will alert the authority its registered under you and they will appoint a rescue operation but nothing is clarified that this will be the country you are sailing in
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https://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/about...Z/default.aspx

If you look at this map of the region the rescue operation covers... so I think there is a misunderstanding?
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well then the cat 1 requirement makes no sense at all if thats the case... if NZ is not responsible then why care if I am safe or not under its flag.

NZ is responsible for a huge area of water from just SE of New Caledonia over to Tonga (inclusive) then up to Tokelau (including Niue, both Samoas and the Cook Islands) then below French Polynesia almost all the way to Easter Island, and all the way down to Antarctica.

The Cat 1 requirement for NZ-registered boats is to help reduce incidents due to ill-prepared crews and/or boats during passages from New Zealand to the South Pacific islands. They tried to apply it to all boats leaving NZ, but stopped when they realised that would stop non-NZ boats coming to NZ and spending money.

It’s a hoop you need to jump through if you don’t want to deal with the issues presented by a foreign-registered boat.
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mmmm sounds like a dodgy deal to me LOL where is that island?
They were very trusting, simple people that I could have taken advantage of, but didn't because I was legitimate. If I told you where on the internet, the opportunity would go away.
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