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Old 27-11-2019, 04:30   #1
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logging 2500 sea miles aimed at elegibility for Yachmaster

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With reference to the following requirement for Yachtmaster elegibility,

"at least 5 passages over 60 miles measured along the rhumb line from the port of departure to the destination" according to https://www.rya.org.uk/courses-train...-offshore.aspx


the distance of each passage should be taken as the shortest navigable route established when planning a safe and efficient passage according to the information provided in the following link:

https://www.rya.org.uk/courses-train...-passages.aspx


This makes me wonder: Can anyone confirm whether the same requirement of "shortest navigable route" apply NOT only to the "5 over-60-miles-passages" requirement but also to the "2500 nautical miles" requirement of Yachtmaster Offshore?

I can come up with two options:

Option 1:
These 2500 miles need to be taken also as the shortest navigable route between origin and destination for each of the miles logged to comply with the "2500 miles" requirement.

Option 2: These 2500 miles requirement be taken as the exact distance of the navigational route we have followed while sailing even if we did NOT follow and straight line to go from origin to destination.


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Re: logging 2500 sea miles aimed at elegibility for Yachmaster

When I took the Yachtmaster practical exam the examiner just looked at my log book and took the rhumb line distances for the five passages and he just eyeballed the 2,500 nm.

I think the 2,500nm is a little minimalistic and the practical reason the RYA chose 60nm legs is that it is a little over 60nm from the Needles to Cherbourg which is the nearest rhum line long leg to the RYA headquarters. Four out of five of my passages were Needles to Cherbourg and back.
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When I took the Yachtmaster practical exam the examiner just looked at my log book and took the rhumb line distances for the five passages and he just eyeballed the 2,500 nm.

I think the 2,500nm is a little minimalistic and the practical reason the RYA chose 60nm legs is that it is a little over 60nm from the Needles to Cherbourg which is the nearest rhum line long leg to the RYA headquarters. Four out of five of my passages were Needles to Cherbourg and back.
Can I anyhow imply out of your reply that you confirm these 2500 miles can be taken as the exact distance of the navigational route that was followed even if the route is NOT a straight line?

Otherwise, can anyone else confirm this?

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Re: logging 2500 sea miles aimed at elegibility for Yachmaster

Generally, it's the sum of the distances signed off in your logbook. Different skippers will interpret distances in their own way, but no-one is going to be overly pedantic, including the examiner.
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Generally, it's the sum of the distances signed off in your logbook. Different skippers will interpret distances in their own way, but no-one is going to be overly pedantic, including the examiner.
do dinghy rides to the pub count?
i believe the La Vagabonders have logged a whopping 36,000 nm in theirs according to their website in the last 5 years.
https://sailing-lavagabonde.com/
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Re: logging 2500 sea miles aimed at elegibility for Yachmaster

What they are looking for is a varied logbook showing some multi-day passages, night and day entries to a variety of ports and a good measure of complex passages. This needs to show dealing with currents, headlands, tide races etc. You could log 2500m in one ocean crossing but while this does meet the requirements most examiners would be much happier with shorter passages over several years to show you have the experience required.
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Re: logging 2500 sea miles aimed at elegibility for Yachmaster

Question on how to count passages.

-Portland, OR to Astoria. Sleep in Astoria then push on to Port Angeles. One passage or two?

-Portland to Astoria, OR to Anacortes. Dock in Astoria for the night, stop in Neah Bay for fuel. One, two, or three passages?
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Question on how to count passages.

-Portland, OR to Astoria. Sleep in Astoria then push on to Port Angeles. One passage or two?

-Portland to Astoria, OR to Anacortes. Dock in Astoria for the night, stop in Neah Bay for fuel. One, two, or three passages?


Just for a bit of scale:
-Portland to Astoria 80NM
-Astoria to Neah Bay 153NM
-Neah Bay to Anacortes: 83NM
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Re: logging 2500 sea miles aimed at elegibility for Yachmaster

For RYA Offshore, a passage must be "non-stop" and must be at least 60 miles So each of those legs qualify as passages.
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For RYA Offshore, a passage must be "non-stop" and must be at least 60 miles So each of those legs qualify as passages.


So, Portland to Astoria, Astoria to Neah bay, and Neah bay to Anacortes would count as three legs?
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ICW count?
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Re: logging 2500 sea miles aimed at elegibility for Yachmaster

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do dinghy rides to the pub count?

i believe the La Vagabonders have logged a whopping 36,000 nm in theirs according to their website in the last 5 years.

https://sailing-lavagabonde.com/


Well if they averaged 6 kts, thatís only 6,000 hours of sailing.
That is 1,250 hours a year, which is 50, 24 hour days a year.
Surely Circumnavigators for instance blow that way out of the water?
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Just for a bit of scale:
-Portland to Astoria 80NM
-Astoria to Neah Bay 153NM
-Neah Bay to Anacortes: 83NM
Pretty much how I would log it. Or did. except I added a stops in St Hellenís and Roche Harbor or some such.
Also just used the rhumb line distance.
Actually I donít really give a toss about distances. For some reason RYA are focused on it.
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ICW count?
Sure, why not?

I don’t write the rules though. Far as I am concerned mileage is Mickey Mouse anyway. Takes more thought and planning to transit the ICW than it does for an off shore passage.

I suspect if they mean 60 miles they mean 60 miles from point A to point B.

Not you logged 60 miles tacking or gybing from Point A to Point B which are 45 miles apart.

I don’t see why their expectations would be different for the other 2640 required miles.
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Re: logging 2500 sea miles aimed at elegibility for Yachmaster

Sorry, Urcane Jack, but Intercoastal Waterway would *not* count. They're looking for sea passages on open ocean.

Roland Stockham (Post #6) is absolutely spot on.

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