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29-12-2022, 15:30
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EU considering banning Philippine crew
The European Commision of the EU is considering banning ships registered in European Union countries from using crews of sailors from the Philippines.
https://www.yahoo.com/autos/europe-c...224500383.html
"The prohibition could drastically impact global shipping: Currently, one in four crew members on merchant vessels around the world hails from the Philippines. And the European Union is second only to Panama in gross merchant tonnage.
. . . the ban is being considered after an audit by the European Maritime Safety Agency. European regulators found that maritime education institutions in the Philippines didn’t meet standards set by the International Convention on Standards of Training, Certification and Watchkeeping for Seafarers. If the European Commission decides to take action, the European Union will no longer recognize competency certifications issued in the Philippines. Current certificates would be recognized until they expire, which could be at most five years from now."
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29-12-2022, 16:07
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Re: EU considering banning Philippine crew
Maybe an idea to scare the Philippino institutions into improving their game?
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30-12-2022, 14:23
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Re: EU considering banning Philippine crew
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Originally Posted by psk125
Maybe an idea to scare the Philippino institutions into improving their game?
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That certainly would be the goal. The Philippines provides for a very large labor pool of crew, they just need to be brought up to higher quality of training / certification so as to meet international standards.
And since most of the marine insurance and reinsurance companies are EU based, I suspect that the insurance companies may require enhanced quality or will begin to refuse to underwrite policies for vessels that have substandard crew.
No insurance on the vessel, no voyaging, no financing, no entry into foreign ports, or right for passage through territorial waters.
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01-01-2023, 00:37
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Re: EU considering banning Philippine crew
Is this the modern version of “No Catholics, No Dogs, No Irishmen”?
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01-01-2023, 00:59
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Re: EU considering banning Philippine crew
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Originally Posted by ChrisJHC
Is this the modern version of “No Catholics, No Dogs, No Irishmen”?
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More like not accepting a degree from one of those "Diploma Mill"s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diploma_mill
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01-01-2023, 01:39
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Re: EU considering banning Philippine crew
in a past life we employed many filipino crew. there was a significant quality range, mainly due to pay rates. 3 of the ships were philippines flag and so crew were paid philippine rates. other ships were hong kong flag and so crew were paid higher, so naturally the better crew gravitated there.
crew from philippines are one of the big three sources and without them many hundreds of ships would stop. wages sent back home are also one of the big foreign currency earners for the philippines. i know personally the owner of one of the biggest crewing business there and i can tell you, this is a very big business...
it would take a minimum of 5 years to phase out filipino crew from EU ships...there is already a global shortage of seafarers so there is no easy replacement
that having been said the average quality of filipino crew has been slipping for a while (although the good ones are still equal to the best in the world), so some serious pushing to lift their game is not a bad thing
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01-01-2023, 02:19
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Re: EU considering banning Philippine crew
It would ruin a nation and surely lead to more hate end possibly even war.
Philippine crew are proud mariners and I don’t believe their educational institutions are just passing out papers. And I’ve actually looked into it.
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01-01-2023, 03:06
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Re: EU considering banning Philippine crew
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Originally Posted by s/v Jedi
Philippine crew are proud mariners and I don’t believe their educational institutions are just passing out papers. And I’ve actually looked into it.
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But do their schools pay sufficient squeeze to the European standards organizations?
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01-01-2023, 04:37
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Re: EU considering banning Philippine crew
Philippines has failed evaluation by EMSA for 16 years. About time they do anything about it. Will not be any ban in the end. Philippines knows they have to fix the problem.
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01-01-2023, 06:25
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Re: EU considering banning Philippine crew
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Originally Posted by ChrisJHC
Is this the modern version of “No Catholics, No Dogs, No Irishmen”?
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That's my bet. Is there a group/agency/etc.. in the EU, that is pushing this as a way to hire more EU citizens?
It's not like the shipping companies are complaining about the quality. I also haven't heard of any complaints of systematic accidents due to poor training.
The advantage is unlike a lot of low wage source countries, they generally can speak and understand English making it easy for them to integrate into crews.
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01-01-2023, 11:07
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Re: EU considering banning Philippine crew
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Is this the modern version of “No Catholics, No Dogs, No Irishmen”?
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No. No. No.
It is about certifiable competency of professional crew and maritime safety.
And this ban would apply only to vessels registered with the EU nations.
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01-01-2023, 18:13
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Re: EU considering banning Philippine crew
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Originally Posted by Montanan
No. No. No.
It is about certifiable competency of professional crew and maritime safety.
And this ban would apply only to vessels registered with the EU nations.
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So you are suggesting it's the shipping companies complaining because they aren't properly trained?
If that's the case, why don't the shipping companies simply stop hiring them?
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01-01-2023, 18:37
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Re: EU considering banning Philippine crew
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So you are suggesting it's the shipping companies complaining because they aren't properly trained?
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More likely the various maritime safety authorities that are responsible for ensuring that their nations' vessels are appropriately staffed with qualified and competent crew.
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01-01-2023, 18:47
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Re: EU considering banning Philippine crew
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Originally Posted by valhalla360
So you are suggesting it's the shipping companies complaining because they aren't properly trained?
If that's the case, why don't the shipping companies simply stop hiring them?
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I'm sure that there are still people who honestly think that ISO-9000 is about quality, and not protectionism.
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01-01-2023, 19:54
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Re: EU considering banning Philippine crew
reminds me of australia and 2 weeks indian diplomas for bankers doctors and dentists
AUS still standing. see how it goes
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