EU considering banning Philippine crew

[Uricanejack]

It’s kind of funny to when Americans be on a largely American forum are accusing the EU of racism regarding crewing policy for EU vessels.

It take it none of them have ever heard of the Jones Act.

Which makes perfect sense if you live and work in America.
It’s about time the EU restricted its vessels to EU crew. Particularly effects the coastal trade.

[Jdege]

Originally Posted by Uricanejack

It take it none of them have ever heard of the Jones Act.

Which makes perfect sense if you live and work in America.

The Jones Act makes no sense, regardless.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by genaea

This is obviously a ploy by the EU to pass racist legislation against people of color.

Hopefully the UN will look into this.

I hope you just forgot to add the sarcasm tag

[Shaneesprit]

Originally Posted by genaea

This is obviously a ploy by the EU to pass racist legislation against people of color.

Hopefully the UN will look into this.

You have obviously never been to the EU
What an utter load of crap.

This is just the EU flexing its muscles, in order to bargain with another county. Or pressure them into upping their game.

In any case ALL EU member states would have to agree, and that doesn’t happen very often.

[s/v Jedi]

Originally Posted by Shaneesprit

You have obviously never been to the EU
What an utter load of crap.

This is just the EU flexing its muscles, in order to bargain with another county. Or pressure them into upping their game.

In any case ALL EU member states would have to agree, and that doesn’t happen very often.

It’s all about sick political world domination games.

[bensolomon]

Perhaps a solution is for the shipping companies that hire people from the Philippines to subsidize and standardize the STCW educational process in the Philippines.

[Shaneesprit]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

It’s all about sick political world domination games.

There are standards let’s try and abide by them, rather than call it racism.
Although on the matter of qualifications they carry zero weight with me. I want to see your experience.
Of course a uni degree counts for something, but I school experts for a living.
Some guys go to uni and come out knowing everything and some come out knowing very little.

[s/v Jedi]

Originally Posted by Shaneesprit

There are standards let’s try and abide by them, rather than call it racism.
Although on the matter of qualifications they carry zero weight with me. I want to see your experience.
Of course a uni degree counts for something, but I school experts for a living.
Some guys go to uni and come out knowing everything and some come out knowing very little.

The Filipinos have been good to go for many decennia. They were completely acceptable to the European authorities. Now that the Global South is taking over the world economy, suddenly everyone must be slapped sanctions on. If you believe it’s not part of the sick politicians games then you may need to choose the red pill next time

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by CaptBobR

Using a foreign (to your flag) crew simply moves money from your country to another with no benefit to your country. The training standards there are routinely forged and many Philippine crews simply don’t measure up to mandatory safety standards. Also they will move across the dock for a very small amount of increased pay.
All in all, world shipping will be better off with mariners who are citizens of the ship’s flag and competent

If you are into protectionism over jobs...sure but that opens a different can of worms.

But don't claim it's a safety issue unless there is a pattern of safety issues. So far no pattern has been demonstrated.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by Uricanejack

It’s kind of funny to when Americans be on a largely American forum are accusing the EU of racism regarding crewing policy for EU vessels.

It take it none of them have ever heard of the Jones Act.

Which makes perfect sense if you live and work in America.
It’s about time the EU restricted its vessels to EU crew. Particularly effects the coastal trade.

I don't think it has anything to do with racism. It's money pure and simple.

While the Jones Act is a bit of a joke and doesn't work very well in practice at least it's up front with it's intent.

[Anders]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

But don't claim it's a safety issue unless there is a pattern of safety issues. So far no pattern has been demonstrated.

16 years of failed EMSA evaluations is a very clear pattern to me.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by Anders

16 years of failed EMSA evaluations is a very clear pattern to me.

That's a failure to meet a bureaucratic rule.

Give us a statistically meaningful example of the increased safety problems. (not one off accidents as we can provide those for any nation).

[Anders]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

That's a failure to meet a bureaucratic rule.

Give us a statistically meaningful example of the increased safety problems. (not one off accidents as we can provide those for any nation).

I prefer them to be pro active and keep the standards up. Just don't understand why it only applies to EU ships. Should also apply to any ship to/from any EU port.
There will not be a ban. Philippines will fix their problem.

[Anders]

IMO is apparently considering taking philippines off the white list. That would be a lot more problems than the possible actions of the commission.

[P3sailor]

I don't believe this is just a Filipino issue. There are "quickie" courses out there for a multitude of professional positions whether on ships, aircraft, etc.
I was a helicopter mechanic on a tuna boat in the early eighties. The owner of the boat sent his son to a tutor who taught the guy the navigators test, when completed, the kid took the test, passed and was our navigator on one of our trips. The kid couldn't read a chart or plot a course to save our posterior, the kid couldn't even get us out of SanDiego harbor! I can't imagine how things are now with all the wokeness and relaxed standards that seem to have taken over our society.