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Old 13-08-2020, 12:56   #16
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Re: Becoming an RYA skipper. Advice on qualifications please :)

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You’re taking a year off work for a career break at 27?!



I’ve never heard of someone doing that at your age, interesting and impressive



What do you do?


it used to be very common, before Student Loans made many too far in debt to take a cruising break. Oh well...
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Re: Becoming an RYA skipper. Advice on qualifications please :)

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hi mate,
what you're doing is great, i mean you're building a good experience, and live on the sea.
rather than taking short courses, which give you a certain degree of knowledge, why not considering directly the ym offshore with the formula "from zero to hero"?
it's an 8week long course (if my memory doesn't fail), a little bit expensive (think around 8k£) but is a full immersion and...really it helps to build up your skills.
if you decide for this, choose a place where sailin is a bit challenging (south africa, or the solent, these i know, but for sure there are other interesting places to go, gibraltar is another) then, if you have the chance go immediately for the ocean, which is just an oral examination, in which you will discuss an ocean passage with celestial navigation.
then, if you mind to use your certification for working also, get the commercial endorsement, which requires some secondary courses under the stcw standards, but this is one step ahead.
think the rya path is one of the best, they have a really serious methodology and certification are almost worldwide recognised (at least all the red ensign countries).
The yacht master ocean is not just an oral exam. You have to do a qualifying passage and then present your charts with plots on and explain the working on the charts, Log book, passage plan, boat preparation etc. He will pick up very quickly if you have faked the passage. It is a written exam in the sense that your plotting charts and log book are scrutinised very carefully.
You cannot turn up and explain how to do a sextant fix. You have to have done them for real and then prove it.

In other advice do the day skipper course both practical and theory. It will set you up for cruising life very well. Do the rest if you want. The thing about the day skipper is you get out what you put in. I have never seen anyone fail it. You will pass and can enjoy it. The next courses above that are fine but the exams are not fun at all.
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Becoming an RYA skipper. Advice on qualifications please :)

Note reading through this thread there is some confusion

The Yachtmaster ocean is only awarded as a “ top up “ certificate to holders of the Yachtmaster offshore.

Arguably the YM offshore is the pinnacle of leisure qualifications and can be commercially endorsed ( medical needed ) good for non STW95 vessels up to 200 tons , ie non merchant marine

These are not shore-based certificates. Nor is there any requirement to do theory courses.

The YM is a demonstration of your ability to skipper a vessel , day or night , and into ports and sea areas you are not familiar with.

It is essentially a test of practical skippering ability. It was designed that skippers who had built up sea miles and relevant hands on practical experience could apply and be awarded a formal qualification. It’s only available as an on boat exam typically over a day and a night . You must Have the requisite number of sea miles and you need to have access to a boat and crew for your exam. The Exam isn’t easy but doable.


Unfortunately a plethora of land based theory courses sprung up around the YM cert, not to mention the “ zero to hero “ YM extended training schemes. These are largely the creation of RYA schools as they provide income over the winter. A huge proportion of those doing the theory courses never go near the actual practical certificate exam. ( but claim that they“ passed the YM exam “). As a former Rya cruising instructor , I blame the RYA for colluding with the schools to market a “ YM shore based exam “ it has confused the scheme IMO

If you want to enter the super yacht arena or do deliveries then YM Offshore is the entry ticket.

Outside of that the RYA day skipper practical ticket is an excellent “ middle ground “ ticket. The course is instructor examined ( unlike YM coastal , or YM offshore ) and comprises a combination of theory and on boat tuition and exams.


Note the ocean has been modified in recent years to focus on the management of long away from land voyages. In the past it was simply a celestial navigation. competency exam. But that was abused by people doing it on ships.

The ocean tends to far less popular these days.
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Note reading through this thread there is some confusion

The Yachtmaster ocean is only awarded as a “ top up “ certificate to holders of the Yachtmaster offshore.

Arguably the YM offshore is the pinnacle of leisure qualifications and can be commercially endorsed ( medical needed ) good for non STW95 vessels up to 200 tons , ie non merchant marine

These are not shore-based certificates. Nor is there any requirement to do theory courses.

The YM is a demonstration of your ability to skipper a vessel , day or night , and into ports and sea areas you are not familiar with.

It is essentially a test of practical skippering ability. It was designed that skippers who had built up sea miles and relevant hands on practical experience could apply and be awarded a formal qualification. It’s only available as an on boat exam typically over a day and a night . You must Have the requisite number of sea miles and you need to have access to a boat and crew for your exam. The Exam isn’t easy but doable.


Unfortunately a plethora of land based theory courses sprung up around the YM cert, not to mention the “ zero to hero “ YM extended training schemes. These are largely the creation of RYA schools as they provide income over the winter. A huge proportion of those doing the theory courses never go near the actual practical certificate exam. ( but claim that they“ passed the YM exam “). As a former Rya cruising instructor , I blame the RYA for colluding with the schools to market a “ YM shore based exam “ it has confused the scheme IMO

If you want to enter the super yacht arena or do deliveries then YM Offshore is the entry ticket.

Outside of that the RYA day skipper practical ticket is an excellent “ middle ground “ ticket. The course is instructor examined ( unlike YM coastal , or YM offshore ) and comprises a combination of theory and on boat tuition and exams.


Note the ocean has been modified in recent years to focus on the management of long away from land voyages. In the past it was simply a celestial navigation. competency exam. But that was abused by people doing it on ships.

The ocean tends to far less popular these days.
How has it been modified?
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