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05-11-2022, 10:04
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Virginia
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6 pack license - paying passengers and their guests
So the 6 pack license allows you to carry up to 6 *paying* passengers. What if they were to invite guests and brought the total number of noncrew bodies to over 6?
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05-11-2022, 10:30
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Join Date: Jan 2018
Boat: 50ft Custom Fast Catamaran
Posts: 11,832
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Re: 6 pack license - paying passengers and their guests
I would not try to pull that one with the Coast Guard.
Reminds me a lot of this little picture floating around on the Internet. I edited out the bad stuff.
There are passengers, and there is your crew. There are no other ambiguous people when you are chartering.
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05-11-2022, 10:46
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Join Date: May 2015
Location: Muskegon, Mi
Boat: Columbia 36
Posts: 1,191
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Re: 6 pack license - paying passengers and their guests
Doesn't matter if all of them pay or not. If one did, it's a charter and you're limited to 6. You should make it very clear to your customers that you charge $X per person with a legal limit of 6. If they know they'll have to pay for any additional guests they're not likely to bring any.
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05-11-2022, 12:38
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Location: Port Credit, Ontario or Bahamas
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Re: 6 pack license - paying passengers and their guests
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Originally Posted by unlimited
So the 6 pack license allows you to carry up to 6 *paying* passengers. What if they were to invite guests and brought the total number of noncrew bodies to over 6?
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Wanna argue with Homeland Security ... ya ain't gonna win.
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05-11-2022, 12:57
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Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: San Francisco
Boat: Morgan 382
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Re: 6 pack license - paying passengers and their guests
It doesn't matter if any passengers are paying, all or none. What matters is that YOU are getting paid. Consider an example of a free shuttle boat, where you are being paid by the park service or some other 3rd party. None of the passengers are paying, but you are still limited to 6.
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05-11-2022, 13:12
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Join Date: May 2015
Location: Muskegon, Mi
Boat: Columbia 36
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Re: 6 pack license - paying passengers and their guests
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Originally Posted by wholybee
It doesn't matter if any passengers are paying, all or none. What matters is that YOU are getting paid. Consider an example of a free shuttle boat, where you are being paid by the park service or some other 3rd party. None of the passengers are paying, but you are still limited to 6.
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Different scenario but absolutely correct.
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05-11-2022, 14:02
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Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: RI
Boat: Caliber 28
Posts: 59
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Re: 6 pack license - paying passengers and their guests
OUPV license is almost useless...should just go for the masters, it's not much different.
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05-11-2022, 14:25
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Charleston, SC
Boat: Pearson 424
Posts: 212
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Re: 6 pack license - paying passengers and their guests
Having a masters doesn’t allow him to carry more than 6 paying passengers, he would also have to have a coast guard inspected vessel.
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05-11-2022, 14:30
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Port Credit, Ontario or Bahamas
Boat: Benford 38 Fantail Cruiser
Posts: 7,047
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Re: 6 pack license - paying passengers and their guests
If the op carried more than 6 it would also void his insurance. Not something I'd risk in the most litigious country in the world.
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05-11-2022, 14:36
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Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: Ontario Canada
Boat: Jeanneau SO 389
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Re: 6 pack license - paying passengers and their guests
Funny thread. What do the water taxi guys have. There are several in Toronto to run you out to the islands. Some of them have 24 people on board. A few of them are real nice guys and mostly hire students.
My pal in Vancouver take tourists fish 4 tops or they fight over the rods.
I had 5 grandkids over night. Thankfully number 6 was too young.
I’ve entertained clients on my boats and claimed the costs.
As to testing laws I think there are occasions when it seems the best route.
If you want to put a dock in your cottage you have to see 5 commissions who all pass the Buck. One agrees then they all do. It can take years. There are over 400 commissions in Ontario 60,000 pretty lazy staff the government you can vote out.
So put in a certified quality dock and get a permit for a shed. If you’re caught the fine is cheaper.
When the law is for safety no.
Most By Laws are to remind stupid people of common sense.
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05-11-2022, 14:36
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Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: RI
Boat: Caliber 28
Posts: 59
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Re: 6 pack license - paying passengers and their guests
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Originally Posted by Spindrift NH
Having a masters doesn’t allow him to carry more than 6 paying passengers, he would also have to have a coast guard inspected vessel.
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Yep…thought that was implied
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05-11-2022, 14:42
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Port Credit, Ontario or Bahamas
Boat: Benford 38 Fantail Cruiser
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Re: 6 pack license - paying passengers and their guests
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Originally Posted by Rumrace
Funny thread. What do the water taxi guys have. There are several in Toronto to run you out to the islands. Some of them have 24 people on board. A few of them are real nice guys and mostly hire students.
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Check out the TC SVOP .. even easier to get than a USCG OUPV
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05-11-2022, 15:08
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Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: Ontario Canada
Boat: Jeanneau SO 389
Posts: 1,969
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Re: 6 pack license - paying passengers and their guests
I don’t see the point. I rather see their mental health fitness card than another lame quiz exam license. That said I love the harbour police. When the new bridge arrive I took the runabout over to watch. I turned the motor off so I could hear the cops tell me to leave. I negotiated backing up. Was icy cold October, sailboat already winterized. I went out the eastern gap over 50n. Obviously I didn’t have a harbour license yet. 2020
Absolutely stunning bridge and long overdue.
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05-11-2022, 15:14
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Port Credit, Ontario or Bahamas
Boat: Benford 38 Fantail Cruiser
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Re: 6 pack license - paying passengers and their guests
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Originally Posted by Rumrace
I don’t see the point. I rather see their mental health fitness card than another lame quiz exam license. That said I love the harbour police. When the new bridge arrive I took the runabout over to watch. I turned the motor off so I could hear the cops tell me to leave. I negotiated backing up. Was icy cold October, sailboat already winterized. I went out the eastern gap over 50n. Obviously I didn’t have a harbour license yet. 2020
Absolutely stunning bridge and long overdue.
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Not surprised that someone who runs the eastern gap at 50knots through a 10knot area wouldn't get the point.
Toronto Harbour Comission - "There are three speed zones within Toronto Harbour: No Wake (dead slow); 5 knots (within 150 metres of shorelines and walls); and 10 knots (beyond 150 metres from shore). Exceeding these limits doesn’t just cause safety and navigation challenges for other boaters, but it also creates damaging wakes for ecological areas that are already experiencing heavy erosion issues."
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05-11-2022, 17:04
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Join Date: May 2022
Posts: 760
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Re: 6 pack license - paying passengers and their guests
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Originally Posted by unlimited
So the 6 pack license allows you to carry up to 6 *paying* passengers. What if they were to invite guests and brought the total number of noncrew bodies to over 6?
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No. Period. Full stop.
If you actually have a USCG license, you should know this. More than 6 passengers requires an inspected vessel as well as a higher grade license.
If you think the Coast Guard is stupid enough that they would fall for this ruse of calling some passengers “guests”, you are wrong.
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