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Old 05-12-2019, 15:04   #16
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Willard was unsinkable. And a great boat - but kinda like a bobber. Same is true for the Great Harbour - exc beamier.

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Unless fitted with stabilizers.
Take your choice of paravanes, active fins, gyroscope, rolling chocks/bilge keels, steadying sails, flume tanks. Plenty of ways to deal with it.
Well ballasted heavy displacement narrow boats do not necessarily roll they stay upright and bob up and down, though depends on hull shape, too.
They do tend to heel on sharp turns at speed, think of a military destroyer, very narrow for its length.
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Old 05-12-2019, 21:22   #18
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The Willard 36 was designed by Wm Garden and is a great Pacific Coast sea boat. These days, not many folks have experience with how different types of boats act in normal conditions. A ballasted full displacement trawler like a Willard will gently roll from 15-degrees on either side of verticle. The ballast then kicks in and it stiffens. Several years ago, my wife and I transited 400 nms south from San Francisco , much of the trip was in 10-12 foot long duration swells . Our boat has stabilizers though we only turned them on to make meals as the motion was comfortable.

That said, if I were headed to Hawaii on a boat, my preference would be a sailboat. The sails set the boat and while it's always heeled, the rocking is reduced. However, if I owned my current Willard 36, I wouldn't sell her and buy a sailboat, I'd figure it out.

In my opinion, long distance travel in a trawler requires active stabilization, though I have zero experience with roll chocks. I do have experience with small sails on trawlers. In my opinion, they are a useless novelty.

I recently did quite a few miles on a 52-foot power cat. I prefer the motion of my Willard to it as the was pretty snappy even in 3-foot beam seas.
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Old 05-12-2019, 21:39   #19
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These objectives appear to be diametrically opposed. Are you going to the carry the trailer with you on ocean passages? My boat is 14' 4" I don't have any issues getting it hauled. Yes, some 25 ton travel lifts are too narrow, but that is a very small minority.
I live in florida, that is where the trailer, and truck, will stay. Every boat yard in the north of the state is fullk a week before a storm hits, and at $2000-4000 a lift you are making a huge investment for storms that may turn at any moment. Spending $50 to fuel up the F900 and lumber over to the ramp beats the hell out of 75 phone calls and finding a yard 100 miles away that has 2 openings that are first come first served.

The ocean crossing part is for an expected trip to the UK, greenland, iceland, and france. Those areas are not impacted by a storm.

The trailer will be a custom job, but will be very inexpensive because I can build it myself.

Funny part of all of this is the duck came to mind first. There was one in Ny a few years back that was so rough that I figured if it still existed I could get it for a song. The issue is at 14' wide it is nearly impossible to take on the road without escorts. However, there are places (farmers fields) I could take it at 14' wide until the storm passes.

Thanks all for the links to those custom builds, many look promising. I am 2 years from buying my next boat. Right now I am missing my sailboat, except when a cat 5 is pointing our way.
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Thanks guys! I was wondering what the beautiful trawler looking thing that came in last week for a few days next to us in corfu was..... a diesel duck! Fire engine red, run by a russian couple, it was a thing of beauty. Came in during some seriously heavy weather and looking like it was enjoying itself, comrade drove it over from St Petersburg over a couple weeks I believe.

Googling diesel ducks, they look pretty amazing. I've been lost for an hour, and I already have the best sailboat in the world (IMHO )

Regarding trailering, dig this pic: The builder/designer thought it feasible to permanently weld axle and tow points to the keel, like the worlds biggest dinghy landing wheels.... very cool. This is the boat you want!
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Keep in mind draft is a big consideration trying to do this with a large boat. 25-29' power boats with 2ft draft often have difficulty at many ramps.

Up that to 40ft and 5ft draft....a lot of ramps will not be viable.
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Thanks guys! I was wondering what the beautiful trawler looking thing that came in last week for a few days next to us in corfu was..... a diesel duck! Fire engine red, run by a russian couple, it was a thing of beauty. Came in during some seriously heavy weather and looking like it was enjoying itself, comrade drove it over from St Petersburg over a couple weeks I believe.

Googling diesel ducks, they look pretty amazing. I've been lost for an hour, and I already have the best sailboat in the world (IMHO )

Regarding trailering, dig this pic: The builder/designer thought it feasible to permanently weld axle and tow points to the keel, like the worlds biggest dinghy landing wheels.... very cool. This is the boat you want!
What is a Diesel Duck? I've seen the term a lot, i've googled but all I get is images and boats for sail no explanation of what one is. The images just look like a regular trawler to me. What does DUCK stand for, since most boats are powered by diesel anyhow?
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Old 06-12-2019, 06:42   #23
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What is a Diesel Duck? I've seen the term a lot, i've googled but all I get is images and boats for sail no explanation of what one is. The images just look like a regular trawler to me. What does DUCK stand for, since most boats are powered by diesel anyhow?
Great question! A backyard boat builder named George Buehler wrote a no-nonsense book "Backyard Boat Building" where he put forth the notion that if you kept the design simple with hard chines, any schmoe with grit and gumption could build a seaworthy vessel with not much more than pocket change. His approach was irreverent and he eschewed the yachty-like standards in the boating industry. I found the book around the time he wrote it in 1990 and it added fuel to my desire to cruise.

His second book on "Trollers" (defiantly not "Trawlers") was his version of what a Trawler should be. George always ascribed oddball names to his designs, and the non-descript 38-footer was called the Diesel Duck. For some reason, that design got traction (many of his designs never made it off his drawing board).

Around 2002 or so, Seahorse Marine builders in China started building the Duck in steel, though others had been built in wood both professionally and backyard versions. I know a few custom one-offs were commissioned in Canada too, but Seahorse Marine seemed to have more of a production-approach.

George died a couple years ago. Ironically, the boating magazines that he eschewed memorialized him grandly - and for good reason. His designs significantly reduced the price point of new trawler yachts and made them approachable to a middle-class retiree. But I can tell you that his core DNA was more Lynn/Larry Pardee than Steve Dashew.

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What is a Diesel Duck? I've seen the term a lot, i've googled but all I get is images and boats for sail no explanation of what one is. The images just look like a regular trawler to me. What does DUCK stand for, since most boats are powered by diesel anyhow?
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Thanks for that. Curiosity satisfied.
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25-29' power boats with 2ft draft often have difficulty at many ramps. Up that to 40ft and 5ft draft....a lot of ramps will not be viable.
I have trailered and launched boats all over Florida. I had plenty of trouble finding ramps that could handle a 23' sailboat with a 2.5' draft. I don't think I EVER saw a ramp that could have handled a 40' long anything, and certainly not one with a 5' draft! They just do not normally build ramps that go out that far, or go that deep.
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SEAPIPER 35
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It will cross oceans in a shipping container.
This was designed as a coastal cruiser.
My choice for the Bahamas or Great Circle Rote.
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So, you want a boat that has a draft no more than two feet so it can be hauled out at boat ramps in your home area.

It needs to be tailorable.

It needs to be able to cross oceans.

You want it to be a trawler.

This will meet 3 out of 4

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It would take a big trailer.
And a very big rig to haul the very heavy trailer and 4 times heavier boat. And then there is the cost of hauling the boat out of the water and placement onto the trailer. The monthly storage cost for the seldomly used long trailer will add up to be equal to the haul out charge.

Recommend just have it hauled out a marina with a travel lift and put on stands and blocks or preferrably a custom built cradle several days before the major storm arrival.
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As to trailering a large boat from a boat ramp, two major issues, traction required to get it out of the water, [often need to large rigs or a large tow truck to aid the primary haul vehicle up the slippery ramp and the other is many trailers are not stable. Boats tend to tip off.

Reference video of just such a challenge and poor result.

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