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Old 08-01-2020, 14:58   #1
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Save me from buying a Super Yacht!

TLDR: Looking for suggestions of builders who fit out commercial boats as yachts. I hate these stupid “purpose of a boat is for 18 people to be able to sunbathe during the day and then have catered dinner in an interior that looks like a gaudy hotel” charter-oriented boat designs.

Seriously, I am surprised at how relatively inexpensive used SuperYachts are. They can be had now, used for $10M. Of course it’s the crew that’s expensive, probably $1M a year there. But I don’t want a chef and stewards. Maybe a captain and deck hand, at most.

I expect with the next recession super yachts will be positively cheap. But taking depreciated assets off of the hands of tasteless boomers in pain isn’t my thing.

But I keep looking at them because I do want 4 cabins with 5 heads, and the ability to carry a lot of toys, and at least transatlantic capability. All that pushes me up the size scale until I’m over 80 feet.

I look at the Sunreef 80 ($6.5M) and it’s a dream in many ways... but is it really a boat you take up to Alaska on the Inside Passage-
Sunreef 80: https://www.sunreef-yachts.com/en/80-sunreef-power

Anyway, I did my time with a sailboat, but the circumnavigation goal still exists, so my challenge has been finding a boat that can circumnavigate the globe, under its own power.

So I find myself looking at things like this: Wider 150 $30M):
Features
Love how the tender garage becomes a pool, and that it’s diesel electric. That seems so obvious and logical— put generators anywhere, let them run at max efficiency, and electric motors are high torque and virtually last forever. $30M is way out of my budget. If only they made one half the size at a quarter the cost.

But the interior of those are gaudy as all get out.

What I want is a ship. A go anywhere ship. From Homer Alaska to Capetown— preferably on a single tank of gas.

The best candidate I’ve found so far is the FPB:
https://www.berthon.co.uk/yacht-sale...pb-97-iceberg/

This is nearly a perfect boat for me. Designed for my purpose, it’s the only 97 foot Dashew in existence and it’s on the market! I should buy it!

Only problem is I won’t be able to afford it for about 3 years. If it’s still on the market then, I could buy it.

Technically, by some definitions the FPB is a super yacht.

Another appealing boat, also a super yacht, are the Damen Yacht Support vessels:
https://www.yacht-support.nl/

Now that’s nice. Scratch the helicopter death trap landing pad, more space for toys, tenders, even a sailboat (sailing only when it’s fun, not because I have to in bad conditions us my idea of sailing.) .... and that would be great.

But still I would need a crew.

I think my dream boat would be 60-79feet, a commercial aluminum vessel— like a ferry catamaran, they is converted to diesel electric, and its interior converted to a yacht.

I bet there’s some shop yard out there refitting these older ferry cats... or someone building something like this.

Or maybe I’ll just have to settle and get a:
https://www.silent-yachts.com/silent55/

And suffer in gaudy luxury with a tender, hot tub and only one (pitiful!) jet ski on board.

If you’re confused about this post- I really am asking for pointers to people doing work like I described... and in exchange I’ve shared links to boats I thought were interesting.
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Re: Save me from buying a Super Yacht!

Pick up National Fisherman

https://www.nationalfisherman.com/cl...t-seiner-2018/

Or try TriNav
https://trinav.com/boats/boat-overview/90/

Here’s more

http://www.damentrading.com/en/buy-a...ssenger-vessel

http://www.damentrading.com/en/buy-a...RoCF9EQAvD_BwE

And a real classic
https://horizonship.com/ship/29m-exp...finland-built/

Final one, this site has a few

http://www.buyexploreryachts.com/65c...for-sale.shtml
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Oh, thanks. Lots of possibilities there. Live that last one- another FPB. Live it when a boat has a website and blog:

https://buffalonickelblog.com/about-our-boat/

But interestingly they are using it and in Japan at the moment. So it seems like it’s not “for sale” in the “I need to sell it right now” sense but in the “everything is for sake at the right price” sense.

But I have a couple years, so I can keep an eye on them. Time to start with the spreadsheets and all that.
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Re: Save me from buying a Super Yacht!

People, what about that powercat a lot of users on here are always talking about??

Seems to be the perfect fit for the OP.

Not quite as expensive but still ticks most of his boxes.

I'd say a ferry would be a poor choice. I've been seduced by those myself but you're not talking about an efficient boat. They are designed to go fast on short runs. Not designed for that Capetown trip.
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People, what about that powercat a lot of users on here are always talking about??
Which power cat is everyone talking about? Such a tease!

Yes the passenger ferries come in quite a variety of sizes and types, in that case I was thinking more an older one that needs refurbishment, which I’m assuming would include a repower.

I really would like to be able to do 15 knots for 5-10 hours when needed to outruns weather, but otherwise would expect %99 of the time at a cruise speed between 6-12knots depending on efficiency, tides etc.

I’m not sure what’s practical expectations wise, for powerboats because all my experience is in a sailboat. Powerboats all seem to go 50 MPH! (By comparison, when they were passing me.)
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Re: Save me from buying a Super Yacht!

Dropping this here. Looks to be the place to go for a custom boat like what I described. Would prefer to find something production, though, as any production boat will have many refinements added based on customer feedback, a lot more than I can think of.

Three Saints - Motor Yachts - Teknicraft Design
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Old 08-01-2020, 21:53   #7
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Oh, I see Domino is still for sale. I like this boat.... it’s a project boat from my perspective (it currently suits the owners, but I would have a lot if changes I wanted to make).... but it’s got the track record and a good design, and cheap enough I could buy in a couple years.... if it’s still available.

(Seems it’s been in the market a couple years already. Too much boat for most people.)
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/200...no-20-3495698/

Boat’s YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/DominoMar20

This couple looked at it:
https://youtu.be/3ga0PzZ8c_0
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Re: Save me from buying a Super Yacht!

Might be worth talking to Dave about his experiences.

https://www.bigdumboat.com/faq.html

And here is a very well known revamped workboat as a starting point too.

https://www.boatinternational.com/ya...-shrimp--62305

If you have your eyes settled on a specific yacht I may be able to help with some restyle proposals. Do not hesitate to get in touch.
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Re: Save me from buying a Super Yacht!

Anyone know if the publication “ Boats and Harbors “ is still around ? Right up the op’s alley.
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Re: Save me from buying a Super Yacht!

I’m not sure this is the right forum to discuss this. Not many if any are experienced in this class of boat: these folks discuss washing water filters to save money!
There are forums dedicated to boats over 20m that will be able to give an informed perspective, just do a search.
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I hope you have very deep pockets!
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Re: Save me from buying a Super Yacht!

As others have said you are in the wrong forum. However if you lower your sights a little the Leopard 62 will do everything you ask. It has sails so it does have unlimited range. And now you are in the right forum!
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I’m not sure this is the right forum to discuss this. Not many if any are experienced in this class of boat: these folks discuss washing water filters to save money!
There are forums dedicated to boats over 20m that will be able to give an informed perspective, just do a search.
Amen to that. The OP is going to have a hard time finding a trailer for this Not to mention that he seems to be discarding the sails altogether in favor of a motor boat. If I had his apparent budget, I'd be looking at one of those big Cape Town cats which can go a lot more places than a super yacht and you might even find a place to park it occasionally
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Re: Save me from buying a Super Yacht!

This is the powerboat board of the cruising forum. Nowhere did I see this site is only for sailors, or only for trailerable boats.

All my life I’ve encountered snobs- monohull snobs, powerboat snobs, sailing snobs, multihull snobs, and of course a multitude of snobs outside of boating as well— rich snobs and poor snobs.

The thing about snobs is- they are always trying to make their vice a virtue. Their world view is limited by the lies they tell themselves.

And the irony of ironies is, the very reason I am able to afford just about any boat I could like is that I never let them limit me to their world views.
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