Originally Posted by eyschulman
Brian you seem to be set on a steel hull
. Have you reviewed Jay Benford's Coaster designs. A slightly different twist on the Pilgrim plot but in the same neighborhood and usually of steel
with simple platting patterns. A fair number of boats have been built most over 50 foot. I kind of think 40 feet is on the borderline for steel
Yes I am familiar with Jay Benford's work
. In fact I had a meeting with him just prior to my coming over to Thailand
for the month. He is on my list of potential designers to work
with, but first I have a LOT more up-front work to do on the idea. ....things that need sorting out before placing new lines on paper.
An aside point my vague memory recalls some rancor between the builder-designer of the pilgrim and the duo selling the boats. This I believe had much to do with the cut off of production(you know about that sort of thing). The selling duo went to a different builder for the larger model.
I have done some research
on this situation after you first made me aware of it. I do not know all the details, but it does seem odd that no re-introduction of the vessel has been contemplated (nor is it under consideration as I understand it).
Possible they just think it would be far too expensive to bring back to the current
market. Look what Dave (a Pilgrim owner had to say about that, Trawler Forum - View Single Post - Redesigning the Pilgrim 40 Trawler / Canal Boat
For what it is worth I think you are spinning your wheels trying to redesign the pilgrim in steel. For those who want a pilgrim or an improved pilgrim buying used has to be-more economical. The few faults of the original design mainly when the boat is used outside its intended purpose can be moderated with modification within reason.
This decision to consider 'frameless steel' construction is not set in stone yet. But it is also influenced by the up-front cost of going back into some kind of limited production without the up-front expense of building molds and other tooling to construct fiberglass
hulls that are more expensive to build, and less durable in the long run.
Wait until you see the price
I bet I can get on NC precut steel panels
to quickly weld together into the basic hull
. And if the client is some remote
location from the east coast
of the USA he/she can have a local steel fabricator built their hull
in their local area....BIG savings vs shipping
a finished or semi-finished vessel.
After having owned and lived aboard the boat for some years including use in the inland waterway-mid offshore Atlantic-long island sound- Chesapeake bay, and southern New England the only major change I would make is addition of simple bilge keels. I would use a marine architect with a good engineering background and some experience with bilge keels to draw the keels putting emphasis on anti rolling function at rest and underway.
So far in my investigations I have found that most marine
architects are in disagreement as to the extent of the viability of 'bilge keels'. And many private owners are unconvinced that they are that effective,...particularly passive ones, and particularly at slow displacement
I believe the newer gyro-stabilizers are the way to go if someone wants that expense. That was also discussed over HERE
Redesigning the Pilgrim 40 Trawler / Canal Boat - Page 2 - Trawler Forum
Bottom line to all of this effort,....it will be an interesting exercise to come up with a really good redesign, that is affordable to the retiree. But you know I am still unsure about the marketability of this product,...is it just too slow of a boat for most Americans?, ...is the American economy healed well enough for new boats?
I'll keep working on the redesign for the moment as I really like this vessel, but who knows where the project
goes in the end.