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05-10-2021, 09:22
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#76
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Re: Moitessier Syndrome
I might add, that we did a 59 day non-stop passage (in the southern ocean), and even my wife, who loved passages, was REALLY ready for landfall at about the 50-day point.
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05-10-2021, 09:34
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#77
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Location: PORTUGAL
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Re: Moitessier Syndrome
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Originally Posted by David Ess
No, I referred to those who regret having to put into port, or are like hermits at sea. Its only alternate, in that most people are social animals who don like too much isolation. People like hermits, incels, etc are outliers.
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People are like fish, your safer in the middle of the school..
It was my first ever solo crossing.. yes I had solo'd across the Biscay but that's a crossing of 4 or 5 days and nothing compared to the 24 plus days I estimated St Martin to the Azores would take on a Bene 321.
I half expected to bottle it in the first week but to my surprise it was not as hard as I had thought, I was quite happy and comfortable in my own company with my memories and introspections.. the freedom from others constant needs and expectations is almost intoxicating.. you should try it.
Day 27 I passed between Flores and Faial, checked my stores and, despite being out of ciggies and low on some other things I chose to stay with the flow..
Day 47 I tied up in Salcombe UK.
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05-10-2021, 09:37
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#78
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Re: Moitessier Syndrome
single handed long distance sailing is not for every one...ask Donald Crowhurst
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05-10-2021, 09:49
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Re: Moitessier Syndrome
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Originally Posted by MicHughV
single handed long distance sailing is not for every one...ask Donald Crowhurst
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True.. I reckon the only way I could stop smoking would be a non stop solo circumnavigation and only one months supply of smokes..
I would be a confirmed non smoker by the end.. or a record breaker in my desperation to get to a tobacconist sooner..
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You can't oppress a people for over 75 years and have them say.. "I Love You.. ".
"It is better to die standing proud, than to live a lifetime on ones knees.."
Self Defence is no excuse for Genocide...
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05-10-2021, 09:51
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#80
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Re: Moitessier Syndrome
at least in my experience, it is a VERY different experience doing long passages solo, doublehanded, triple handed (which in my opinion is a sweet spot), or 'full crew' (we passaged raced with two watches of 4, so 8 total, on a 40'er).
The joys and pitfalls of each crew configuration are very different.
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05-10-2021, 10:19
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#81
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Re: Moitessier Syndrome
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Originally Posted by boatman61
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Such a fascinating and expressive use of emoticons instead of words. Come on Pops, where's your sense of humor?
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05-10-2021, 10:27
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#82
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Re: Moitessier Syndrome
There is no way a smoker wouldn't pack enuff smokes on his boat for an ocean voyage...simply wouldn't happen...running out of matches could be problem...trying to light a ciggy in the wind will use up a lot of matches....
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05-10-2021, 11:48
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#83
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Re: Moitessier Syndrome
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Originally Posted by MicHughV
There is no way a smoker wouldn't pack enuff smokes on his boat for an ocean voyage...simply wouldn't happen...running out of matches could be problem...trying to light a ciggy in the wind will use up a lot of matches....
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No doubt, but Boatman is a delivery Captain. Surely he would go without on someone else's vessel unless specific permission was given.
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05-10-2021, 12:08
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#84
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Re: Moitessier Syndrome
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Originally Posted by boatman61
the freedom from others constant needs and expectations is almost intoxicating..
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I think you just nailed why I am so often disappointed if not disillusioned after a longer (for me) passage with crew. Usually little to do with their sailing skills, watch standing discipline, personal idiosyncrasies, etc., and more to do with what I perceive as an impingement on my personal space freedom. Just not good at "managing" people who's personalities seem dependent on others for satisfying their own needs. But then those traits seem to be more common than mine, so I guess I'd better get used to sailing single or short-handed!
For those who have ever downhill skied on a busy day, ever notice how, in the midst of several crowded lift lines, there are often one or two empty ones which are being ignored? On the whole, most of us truly are herd animals.
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05-10-2021, 12:26
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Re: Moitessier Syndrome
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Originally Posted by ixnax
No doubt, but Boatman is a delivery Captain. Surely he would go without on someone else's vessel unless specific permission was given.
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Surely . . . and if not I'm sure he'd ask for forgiveness after-the-fact!
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05-10-2021, 13:39
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Re: Moitessier Syndrome
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Originally Posted by MicHughV
There is no way a smoker wouldn't pack enuff smokes on his boat for an ocean voyage...simply wouldn't happen...running out of matches could be problem...trying to light a ciggy in the wind will use up a lot of matches....
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Actually if my box of cigarette papers not all decided to glue themselves together things might have been different, however at the beginning of the second week I opened the box to get a few packets out I discovered.. pull the first and it's like an accordion.. first pack was roll my eyes and laugh.. by the 10th pack it was Arrggghhhhhh.!!!
The whole box of Rizlas... Unbelievable..!!!
Fashioned a pipe from the peel off lid from a small can of mushrooms which worked okay till the tobacco ran out... the pipe used cigarette tobacco real fast.
It wuz Rizlas fault..
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You can't oppress a people for over 75 years and have them say.. "I Love You.. ".
"It is better to die standing proud, than to live a lifetime on ones knees.."
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05-10-2021, 13:52
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Re: Moitessier Syndrome
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Originally Posted by ixnax
So you were happy to be celibate for 47 days at sea and would have been even happier for a long extension on that? That ain't a couple of days for some of us but if you're happy with that level of play then good on you, pops.
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...but if you're happy with that level of play then good on you,you yung pup, you. Just wait'll you get a lot older!
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05-10-2021, 14:12
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#88
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Re: Moitessier Syndrome
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Originally Posted by boatman61
Actually if my box of cigarette papers not all decided to glue themselves together things might have been different, however at the beginning of the second week I opened the box to get a few packets out I discovered.. pull the first and it's like an accordion.. first pack was roll my eyes and laugh.. by the 10th pack it was Arrggghhhhhh.!!!
The whole box of Rizlas... Unbelievable..!!!
Fashioned a pipe from the peel off lid from a small can of mushrooms which worked okay till the tobacco ran out... the pipe used cigarette tobacco real fast.
It wuz Rizlas fault..
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Feel you.. thou during last two passages I left rizlas and tobacco on the hard. I don't need it while sailing but the next day got home smoked whole pack in two days..
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05-10-2021, 14:51
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#89
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Re: Moitessier Syndrome
I feel for you smoker guys....
I smoked some as a teenager as it was a rebel thing to do...the habit persisted for a few years after...until I woke up one day and said to myself, this is nuts....never touched a ciggy again after that...also did the roll your own thing....
wish I could say the same thing for beer... but alas, the boat doesn't leave the dock unless the appropriate number of cans have been stowed away...
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05-10-2021, 15:04
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#90
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Location: Australia
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Re: Moitessier Syndrome
While not at sea as such we are "out" full-time
Coming back in is not enjoyable, it's nothing more than running around like an idiot for several hours doing a reprov so as to get back out as fast as we can.
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