i'm spending so much money it hurts

[capngeo]

I wonder if the OP would recognize his thread??? I'll bet my 1% he doesn't!

( I say 1% meaning I am a retired firefighter.... certainly a demographic comprising < 1% of the World's population)

[DSDman]

The only reason I have a 100000 dollar boat is because I couldn't afford a 200000 dollar boat!

[DumnMad]

I suggest that some can't afford a boat less than $100,000 because their commitments to family requires a commitment to an employer and payment of taxes (which support non-workers and infrastructure) resulting in the said "some" just not having any free time to maintain a project boat. The only way they can afford to go boating is to have the $100,000 boat!! Only those very wealthy in discretionary time can afford a $1000 + electricals, boat.

[seandepagnier]

Originally Posted by Captain Bill

Boat_Alexndria, you are making my day. I don't think I've heard so much hypocritical BS in my Life. If you really believed this BS, you would have gone out and found a nice stone and chipped the edge into an axe blade, attached it to a stick with some animal sinew, chopped down a tree and made yourself an outrigger canoe. You could have woven your sails from plant material and made lines and rigging from coconut husks or hand spun hemp. Virtually every other technology you depend on is supplied by those evil greedy people making a lot of money. Do you think solar panels and electric motors grow on trees? Even if your polyester resin and spectra can be made from plant material, you're not going to do it on your little boat. It's going to be done by someone with one of those evil chemistry companies that are destroying the planet. You are putting down the very people who make it possible for you to live the lifestyle you choose. You say you hunt animals on land. Does this mean you go ashore and just kill any old animal that you see or do you actually obey local hunting laws? In most places, especially small islands it is illegal for non-residents and sometimes even residents to hunt.
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You are making my day! Why can't everyone make good points like this? In fact, you have me convinced. I'm going to try making an axe and canoe as you have suggested, as well as sails and lines. Before I was into getting my lines used and sails for $20, but this requires money. Your suggestion is even cheaper, more fun, and you can get those materials in very remote places!

Yes, this thread is a load of hypocritical BS (not all coming from me), but that seems to be true everywhere else too, so it's no surprise, really. My points are not about no consumption, but about different levels of consumption anyway. Sure I use products which were created in factories which were going to be in the landfill if I had not come along to salvage them (like my electric motor) This doesn't really excuse someone else from buying new ones. I would not have done this had these items not be available in this state.

Sure, I have solar panels which will produce far more energy than what was used to create them in their lifetime of 50 years, this doesn't mean it's ok to go burn diesel in an engine which is overall a fraction of a percent efficient at converting energy to forward thrust, just because we both used energy. We all have to consume some resources, but why is it that some people will consume far more, maybe 100 times more than others?

But yes maybe you are all right, 100k isnt so much money after all, especially compared to the guys with millions. But using as an excuse to buy inferior rigging wire (stainless) is a bad one. I met a guy in nelson with a boat around 200k, but he pretty much devoted its use to humanitarian aid in vanuatu. It's a 3 masted square rigged boat 100ft + long and can carry a crew of 20-30. Its not how much money you have, it's what you do with it. A 500k boat for only a few people?! I hope you plan on transporting 100 mountain bikes to bouganville with that, they could really use them!

Also, why couldn't I make resin and spectra on my boat? Is having a full-blown chemistry lab impossible? You would be surprised at some of the chemicals I have synthesized. Is it because it would require other equipment that I would not be able to produce? At some point I'm going to run into a dead end if I try to start from scratch and produce modern materials as I don't have the time/knowledge to deal with all the complications.

As far as hunting animals, no I don't actually kill anything that moves, in my case only animals that are legal to hunt. I don't use firearms. Keep in mind, if I were hungry enough I doubt I would care much about local laws.

[Ex-Calif]

Getting back to the original point - I just dropped another $1k at the chandlery yesterday.

Not in comparison to Rebel Heart yet but the haulout this year has gone through $3k and I am doing all the work myself (with friends) this time.

Boat coatings are ridiculously expensive...

Starting to feel your pain, my friend...

[minaret]

Originally Posted by boat_alexandra

A 500k boat for only a few people?! I hope you plan on transporting 100 mountain bikes to bouganville with that, they could really use them!

Yes, we plan on doing many things of that nature. My wife is a nurse who specializes in international nursing, we travel with a ridiculously complete medical kit and serious tools, and plan to help out everyone we meet as much as possible in any way possible. We are also looking at delivering free eyeglasses and a number of other humanitarian options. Do you do any of these things in your $1000 boat? How much aid can you deliver to the communities in need you come across? Who's really the selfish one here? Us arriving with our 500k boat packed with goodies for the locals and bringing lots of business for them, or you with empty hands and a desire to collect the scant local resources for yourself?

[seandepagnier]

Originally Posted by minaret

Yes, we plan on doing many things of that nature. My wife is a nurse who specializes in international nursing, we travel with a ridiculously complete medical kit and serious tools, and plan to help out everyone we meet as much as possible in any way possible. We are also looking at delivering free eyeglasses and a number of other humanitarian options. Do you do any of these things in your $1000 boat? How much aid can you deliver to the communities in need you come across? Who's really the selfish one here? Us arriving with our 500k boat packed with goodies for the locals and bringing lots of business for them, or you with empty hands and a desire to collect the scant local resources for yourself?

I'm not really denying selfishness as that word was used by another member accusing me. I am only trying to minimize greed. Don't be so sure I have empty hands, as I frequently barter with locals.

In any case, I am not really sure that bringing business for them is really such a good thing as it only encourages consumption.

Also, please do the people a favor and do not deliver eyeglasses as it is a common scam taking place world-wide to force people to be dependent on something which will cost them and cause suffering down the line. Glasses did not exist in the no-so-distant past, and half the world was _not_ blind. Reading glasses for older people may be ok as I am not old enough to actually experience this, but I have read reports of this condition being reversed. As far as near-sightedness is concerned, it is completely curable as I have done myself. Wearing glasses for distance vision only makes the problem worse. Would you put someone in a wheelchair if they broke a leg instead of setting it properly? It would allow them to get around faster than before! In fact, we have safety glasses for people who can see fine but need the temporary benefit of glasses for this useful purpose. Hopefully these are the type of glasses you mean, not the type that refract light.

[justwaiting]

Originally Posted by boat_alexandra

I'm not really denying selfishness as that word was used by another member accusing me. I am only trying to minimize greed. Don't be so sure I have empty hands, as I frequently barter with locals.

In any case, I am not really sure that bringing business for them is really such a good thing as it only encourages consumption.

Also, please do the people a favor and do not deliver eyeglasses as it is a common scam taking place world-wide to force people to be dependent on something which will cost them and cause suffering down the line. Glasses did not exist in the no-so-distant past, and half the world was _not_ blind. Reading glasses for older people may be ok as I am not old enough to actually experience this, but I have read reports of this condition being reversed. As far as near-sightedness is concerned, it is completely curable as I have done myself. Wearing glasses for distance vision only makes the problem worse. Would you put someone in a wheelchair if they broke a leg instead of setting it properly? It would allow them to get around faster than before! In fact, we have safety glasses for people who can see fine but need the temporary benefit of glasses for this useful purpose. Hopefully these are the type of glasses you mean, not the type that refract light.

I think that it is best to judge people by their actions. Minaret has very genourously helped many members on this forum with information and confidence to make their dreams come true without getting ripped off by the sharks in the marine industry. Of course if you are lazy and rich he is willing to do the work for you to finance his dreams.

The problem with CF is that some members fell the need to attack the dreams, choices and action of other to justify their own in their own minds. You could have posted what you have done in such a way as to help others rather than the negative way that you have. Your posts are about you not others and that is greedy IMHO.

[bobconnie]

Good Lord !! Ive seen a bunch of crap on this forum before ! But this is the biggist one yet !! LOL Connie and I have been out and about for longer then This boat alexandra has most likely been alive !! Never had a 500,000 dollar boat ! we bilt the first one and equiped it for 34,000 bucks and sailed it over 25 yrs ! we just bought a new to us boat that cost us 38,000 with about 10,000 in needed repairs and new equipment! Over the years of cruising we have helped Many folks both cruisers and the locals in the places we were at ! She as a Nurse and I as a mechanic, welder! we worked for everything we have ! Just like Minaret! Ive seen the pics of his boat, and have a good idea of the amount of work he has done to it !! We are lucky cus we invested way back and made a little money! now we just cruise on a buget, and do just fine !! maybe we dont fit your bill as RICH folks but we like Minaret feel rich ! I look forward to meeting him some day in a warm place to swap lies and even a little rum !! but I think I might change anchorages if I find your 1000 dollar boat where we were at LOL just sayin some of us work and get ahead that way !!! Just my 20 cents on this subject !! 500,000 or more or less don't mean squat to us it's the folks on em that count !!

[Jim Cate]

Originally Posted by bobconnie

Good Lord !! Ive seen a bunch of crap on this forum before... 500,000 or more or less don't mean squat to us it's the folks on em that count !!

Right on, Bob!

Most real cruisers do their best to help out wherever their voyages take them, big boat or small, first world or third... it's one human to another and pretty much independent of what baggage you bring with you.

Right now it is clear to me which of the participants in this thread I'd like to share an anchorage with.

Cheers,

Jim

[Coops]

You all seem to have got it wrong apart from BA. Not only do you not need to spend more than $1,000 on a boat, but if you are experiencing diminishing eyesight, you should be able to cure it yourself. Now, why does he not go and use this knowledge in the poorer countries and help them with their eyes, being as altruistic as he is. This is a secret that should be shared, not selfishly kept to himself. Sorry BA, but you are setting yourself up for some ribbing here.

Coops.

[David_Old_Jersey]

Originally Posted by justwaiting

The problem with CF is that some members fell the need to attack the dreams, choices and action of other to justify their own in their own minds.

Insecurity is not linked to size of wallet / boat / bank account (IOU's ).

You could have posted what you have done in such a way as to help others rather than the negative way that you have. Your posts are about you not others and that is greedy IMHO.

+1

Especially as there are folks on CF who have spent less than $1000 on their boat. Well, at least to buy it . But just like BA they will no doubt be spending far more - whether that cost is measured in pure cash or time spent. DIY and / or snaffling freebies also costs, how much depends how each values own time (whether in cash or freedom from "having to") - boat accountancy kinda like Enron numbers, those adding them up are happy to delude themselves that they are real .

[engele]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Right now it is clear to me which of the participants in this thread I'd like to share an anchorage with.

Cheers,

Jim

I could not agree more. +1(00k)

[Red Charlotte]

Originally Posted by Don Lucas

all this thread has done is make me want a bigger nicer boat

Haha, me too (but don't tell Rebel Heart that

[zeehag]

i definitely know with whom i would like to share an anchorage and with whom not--we takes what we gets and work with it...and if folks come into an anchorage i do not wish to see or be visiting with, i leave or i ignore em. works well.
elan--you coming back here after panama?