Hitting an anchored boat in a sparsely populated anchorage while under sail

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by Lodesman

You don't know enough about the situation to make that determination. How fast were they going? What is too fast? What would have been a "safe speed"? Sounds more like they weren't paying attention to where they were going - poor lookout. Possibly doing something beyond their level of competence - sailing in close quarters with anchored vessels - Rule 2 infraction.

Too fast for their skill level is still too fast. Change nothing but the person at the helm and the highest speed where they can detect and safely react to a situation will be different. The problem is, the less experienced people that will be slower to detect and react to something are also the ones with the least awareness of what is a safe speed for them to operate at.

[Chotu]

Now I have my own drama to contend with.

Just lost my kickup fuse. Have to lift the rudders.

It’s been sustained very very rough out here. Comfortable in the boat but a melee of an anchorage outside. Seeing lots of keels on the monohulls when their bows go sky high or they roll over on their side.

My boat doesn’t hobbyhorse so when the waves (chop) gets aft, it is submerging the sterns. The blast force of that knocked my kickup fuse out.

More redesign necessary and need to make a new fuse ASAP

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by rslifkin

Too fast for their skill level is still too fast.

An interesting take. I suppose one could assume some sailors are, to quote Ralph Nader, "unsafe at any speed." However Rule 6 mentions 12 factors in determining safe speed, and none of them include the competency of the crew. Not saying the list is exhaustive, but that's a factor that seems to go beyond the purview of the Rules. The Rules function on the basic assumption that vessels are effectively and efficiently crewed.
How fast do you reckon they were going? Maybe the OP can chime in, but given the apparent lack of serious damage, I'd guess 3 or 4 kts at most. Is that really an unsafe speed?

[Drunkonwatch]

I have identified the couple that hit the rock oops I mean ferro boat in the OP.

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by Drunkonwatch

I have identified the couple that hit the rock oops I mean ferro boat in the OP.

Ha ha ha ha ha.

Kind of what I was picturing them looking like actually. Just by the sound of their voices.

The woman was definitely in charge.

[JebLostInSpace]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Umm... would you believe 0.7%? Bloody maths...

Jim

Wups! Slipped a decimal point in there didn't I... Actually makes my point all the more forcibly. The severity of drowning only has to by 14 times worse than the severity of being burgled to convince me that I should put less effort into avoiding burglary than I put into avoiding drowning.

Would I rather be burgled 14 times or die? That's a pretty easy question for me...

Evidently 1AM statistical analysis is not my specialty lol. It's totally possible I botched other aspects of my math. But even being wrong by an order of magnitude on any of my numbers is unlikely to alter the conclusion, so I'm not gonna worry too much about it. And I'll worry even less about being "Swatted!" What a state of fear some folks must live in.

[JebLostInSpace]

Originally Posted by kubota

so just to be clear, when a group of criminals whom I have personally and forcibly removed from my premise tells law enforcement they targeted me by using the internet, I am just being paranoid if in future I curtail the availability of my location information and social media profiles at home and on my boat?

Hmm maybe, maybe not. Now we get into Bayesian statistics. What is the probability of being burgled by criminals using the internet to identify victims, given that you have been targeted in such a way once before?

I honestly have no idea whether that probability is substantially different than the baseline. 5 minutes of googling didn't reveal any useful statistics to estimate this relationship, and I'm not going to put a ton of time into it. I did come across this one though: "Offenders were known to their victims in 65% of violent burglaries." (1) That might suggest that strangers seeing your info online prevent less risk than the guy you chat up at the pub.

Regardless, refraining from posting details online is an extremely low effort risk mitigation activity. Much like donning the life jacket, it takes so little time that it may be worth doing even to avoid a low likelihood risk. So by all means, don't tell me where you are. But focusing solely on that risk does represent a sampling bias since you're considering one event instead of broader trends.

Edit: Forgot to link the source. (1) https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt

[RaymondR]

One might presume from the tenor of the rules that whilst the framers of said rules could not as a practicable matter foresee every eventuality as a generality they encompass an obligation to prudence and that in entering an anchorage during the hours of darkness under sail the perpetrators did not act prudently and were therefor liable for any damage caused.

[Chotu]

More updates from the Anchorage. A bunch of these are going by now….

It’s pretty breezy for wooden chairs to be blowing off people’s yards.

[Cynara]

If you knew me you wouldn't make the comments about me, but that is okay.

The post implied he was sailing fast.

No matter the sailboat was in the wrong

[Drunkonwatch]

Originally Posted by Chotu

More updates from the Anchorage. A bunch of these are going by now….

It’s pretty breezy for wooden chairs to be blowing off people’s yards.

There the material for your face frames on the galley build!!

[smj]

Originally Posted by Drunkonwatch

There the material for your face frames on the galley build!!

Or material to build multiple kick up fuses!

[Drunkonwatch]

Originally Posted by smj

Or material to build multiple kick up fuses!

Bahahaha project boat blues we have all kinda been there it will improve.

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by smj

Or material to build multiple kick up fuses!

Wouldn’t you know it? That was on my list.

I have material on board to build new fuses. I was supposed to build a couple new ones.

“It’s on the list”

This time I’m going to make them fit more tightly so they stick in the holders better. I didn’t make the last set.

[smj]

Originally Posted by Chotu

Wouldn’t you know it? That was on my list.



I have material on board to build new fuses. I was supposed to build a couple new ones.



“It’s on the list”



This time I’m going to make them fit more tightly so they stick in the holders better. I didn’t make the last set.

Can you drill a hole in them and attach them to the boat with some line so they won’t get lost if they fall out?
Saw that on a Shuttleworth once.