Hitting an anchored boat in a sparsely populated anchorage while under sail

[sailorboy1]

really now, it has turned into a copy and paste "rules" battle

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

An anchored vessel is fixed by it's anchor You have failed to provide a citation that describes an anchored vessel as underway.

From the admiralty lawyer whose article I linked.
"The nautical definition of an allision is “the running of one ship upon another ship that is stationary.” The distinction between it and a ‘collision’ is that in the latter, both ships are moving."

I wouldn't provide that citation, because it's nonsense. The Rules very specifically state that a vessel is 'underway' if it is not at anchor. What a stupid argument. An anchor doesn't fix a vessel - at best you can describe an anchored vessel as semi-stationary. The red section in Montanan's post 208 above says it all.

These lawyers say differently:

https://www.attorneystevelee.com/fre...ssel-allision/

https://www.funnel2tunnel.com/answer...n-and-allison/

https://www.offshoreinjuryfirm.com/m...-an-allision-/

https://www.malleylawfirm.com/mariti...s-an-allision/

[ThereAndBack]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

really now, it has turned into a copy and paste "rules" battle

It is both amusing and annoying.

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

really now, it has turned into a copy and paste "rules" battle

Finally, something we can agree on. Ha ha

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by smj

So rule 7 deals with collision, but a moving vessel striking an anchored vessel isn’t considered a collision but an Allison.........
Ones moving and ones stationary

Allison is a girl's name. If you've only just learned there is such a thing as an allision, you should probably avoid making statements about it.

Apparently you still haven't found any of the rules pertaining to anchored vessels, that are contained within the IRPCS.

Maybe you should focus on reading the rules.

[smj]

Originally Posted by Lodesman

Allison is a girl's name. If you've only just learned there is such a thing as an allision, you should probably avoid making statements about it.



Apparently you still haven't found any of the rules pertaining to anchored vessels, that are contained within the IRPCS.



Maybe you should focus on reading the rules.

Spell checks a bitch ain’t it?
An anchored vessel is a vessel that’s not underway, so it’s kind of hard to conform to the rules when numerous times the rules state one must be moving at a safe speed and have the ability to change course? Sometimes one must use common sense and read between the lines?
Speaking of common sense, while at anchor do you have AIS, radar and VHF turned on, and do you keep a 24 hour anchor watch?

[Chotu]

I’d I had to listen to the VHF at anchor, I’d quit boats for sure.

[rslifkin]

I usually leave my VHFs on at anchor, but there's not much chatter in the areas we're currently cruising. So it's not particularly annoying (and every once in a while has come in handy for knowing about something going on prior to us picking up and leaving). If we were in a high traffic area, I might be inclined to just leave a handheld on as it would have a much shorter receive range and would cut out a lot of further away traffic that I don't need to care about.

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by Lodesman

I wouldn't provide that citation, because it's nonsense. The Rules very specifically state that a vessel is 'underway' if it is not at anchor. What a stupid argument. An anchor doesn't fix a vessel - at best you can describe an anchored vessel as semi-stationary. The red section in Montanan's post 208 above says it all.

These lawyers say differently:

https://www.attorneystevelee.com/fre...ssel-allision/

https://www.funnel2tunnel.com/answer...n-and-allison/

https://www.offshoreinjuryfirm.com/m...-an-allision-/

https://www.malleylawfirm.com/mariti...s-an-allision/

So anyone who disagrees with you is stupid ... Got it.

[boatman61]

Please.. Stop it.. Owwww...

[OneBoatman]

Not sure why anyone would care where you are other than to avoid wherever that is. I suppose if they knew then you may only be targeted as a witness to crime, but I would think they would have to cover your expenses to call you testify. Actually, I'm not sure if my AIS is tied into an audio alarm or if I could hear it while sleeping on the hook. Maybe I'll check into that, but I would think it would be alarming all too frequently in a crowded anchorage and would be more annoying than reassuring.

[sailorboy1]

Originally Posted by ThereAndBack

It is both amusing and annoying.

one of those is correct

[Roux]

A Strobe light is not an anchor light. It is a light used to annoy everybody around you.

[ThereAndBack]

Originally Posted by OneBoatman

Not sure why anyone would care where you are other than to avoid wherever that is. I suppose if they knew then you may only be targeted as a witness to crime, but I would think they would have to cover your expenses to call you testify. Actually, I'm not sure if my AIS is tied into an audio alarm or if I could hear it while sleeping on the hook. Maybe I'll check into that, but I would think it would be alarming all too frequently in a crowded anchorage and would be more annoying than reassuring.

My plotter allows me to adjust the alert range of AIS targets, turn off alerting for stationary targets, turn off AIS alerting all together, etc.



I'm confused if people either have old tech that doesn't have these features or if people just don't know how to use them. Perhaps diving into your manuals might allow you to do some things you didn't know were possible.

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by smj

Spell checks a bitch ain’t it?
An anchored vessel is a vessel that’s not underway, so it’s kind of hard to conform to the rules when numerous times the rules state one must be moving at a safe speed and have the ability to change course? Sometimes one must use common sense and read between the lines?
Speaking of common sense, while at anchor do you have AIS, radar and VHF turned on, and do you keep a 24 hour anchor watch?

No one "must be moving" at a safe speed - the safe speed rule specifically refers to being able to stop within an appropriate distance. I do leave AIS on at anchor, and keep the VHF on when up and about. If it's foggy, then yes I will use the radar. If appropriate to the situation I would have a 24/7 anchor watch; on my own boat this would be atypical, as I typically would be at a small-boat anchorage and conform to standard practice a la Rule 2.