Ever seen a UFO?

[jimbunyard]

Originally Posted by capn_billl

WOW, pretty broad brush you are using there.

Technically a UFO "believer" falls in the same category as a cryptozoologist.

And also technically there isn't "zero" evidence, just not enough to convince the majority of people.

As far as cryptozoology in general, several "extinct" species have been found, after decades of ridicule heaped on those who claimed to have seen one.

You remind me of a bushman I met once, he fell on the ground laughing after I told him I flew to his country. He immediately asked me to flap my arms to prove it.

Others refuse to believe in things they aren't familiar with even if it is put in front of their face.

Chinese proverb. The closed mind sees nothing.

UFO means (U)Nidentified (F)lying (O)bject. If it flies, and you can't Identify it, then it is a UFO as per definition.

Anything else is speculation, and one theory is as good as another until we learn more about them.

Perhaps you should read the rest of my posts on the subject...or at least posts 25 and 38.


New American (or is that (a)'social media'?) proverb,

The subjective 'mind' sees whatever it wants...regardless of it's existance (or not) in reality.


And by the way, Please "put in front of [my] face" something, anything supporting the existence of these 'little green men'.

[Cadence]

Three - the most unlikely, because either aliens One or Two would already be in charge of "things" - they just ignore us. Or at most just watch.
Maybe we like a home aquarium, just something to watch. To damn stupid for anything else.

[Russian007]

Originally Posted by capn_billl

WOW, pretty broad brush you are using there.

Technically a UFO "believer" falls in the same category as a cryptozoologist.


Anything else is speculation, and one theory is as good as another until we learn more about them.

That's the annoying thing. Conflating UFO's with Aliens. Who said anything about aliens? I saw a UFO in Hawaii, I never called it a spaceship or Alien ship. It was a weird thing up in sky. Have no idea what it was. For all I know it was Rudolf the Red Nose Reindeer.

[Russian007]

We live in a Sim supervised by a teen superbeing named "Kevin".

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by jimbunyard

The only "self important Bollox" consistently displayed here come from you, with your constant, 'I've seen more things, been more places, and have more awareness-of-the-real-world' arrogance (in the colloquial sense of the word).

Ever looked at the 3000+ year old 'UFO reports' (or at least the proposed translations of them)? Or are you relying on your own eyes. Or the eyes of such 'credible experts' as Graham Hancock (or whichever UFO populizer-du-jour you prefer).

Anyone who denies that the 'level of sophistication' within a culture directly influences it's members perceptions is living in a fantasy world that reflects neither logic nor any understanding of neurological function.

That you can't provide any answers to any of the 4 'queries' only verifies where your opinion should be categorized.

That you seem unaware of the contextual usage of simple concepts such as 'real world' and their limits, and attempt to use them in yet another display of somewhat sophmoric arrogance only confirms what has been evident for quite awhile...


But I appreciate the categorization of my "bollox" as "important", self or otherwise...though, coming from such an "unreliable witness", such appreciation, I fear, says more about my vanity than about your sincerity.

Sumerians chariots of fire that carried beings is one example from the old world.. Ancient Sumerian Anunnaki Gods From the Sky.
Exerpts from the Bible also refer to chariots of fire that rose vertically.. see Elijah.
As for reliability.. I say what I've seen and what I have done as examples.. what one believes or actions choosen to follow is an independant choice of the individual, not something I advocate.
Your vanity however is consistently evident..

[SeanPatrick]

Originally Posted by Russian007

We live in a Sim supervised by a teen superbeing named "Kevin".

For some reason, this reminded me of the 1985 movie "Explorers".

[Dave_S]

Originally Posted by OldManMirage

This is why I adhere to the Fermi Paradox. If there are aliens out there - where are they ? If you accept the universe is as old as we think, there has been more than enough time for them to show up.

There are really only 3 likely scenarios.

One - the "good" one - is the Vulcan style, where they come to help.

Two - the "bad" one - is the Independence Day style, where they come to hurt us.

Three - the most unlikely, because either aliens One or Two would already be in charge of "things" - they just ignore us. Or at most just watch.

IMHO.



Three - they simply

There is an argument that, if they come they will most likely be Catagary 2, here to take our stuff.

The thinking is it is most likely that a species to evolve to to that point they would need have evolved similar to us as competitive carnivores and therefore predators.

If we get to another planet and find animals on it that are not as advanced as us, it would be nice to think we would be supportive and helpful or leave them alone but we all know history will repeat and we will start thinking "look, they have lots more hardtogetium than they need" then when we get caught taking their stuff and they try to stop us we will say they are hostile to justify why we shot em all.

If they aren't like that and are looking after our best interests, they would leave us alone.

The truth is out there.......

[Mike Banks]

Yes. I saw one off the coast of Queensland near Magnetic Island a few years ago. I think I have recounted it here so it will be discoverable in the archive. This was not the first I had seen but it was the closest and it was unmistakeable for what it was, a more or less disc shaped object glowing a kind of sodium orange colour, or more glimmering than glowing, and when I saw it it seemed to be on the sea surface with a lot of lights of an orange hue.

"Fishermen poaching squid" thought I--and turned on my radar to get a bearing.

The thing, whatever it was, shot up quickly from the sea surface to a couple of thousand feet--it was hard to guess the altitude, but it must have been some kind of inertial drive used because it was fast and silent with no vapour or vibrations. I turned off EVERYTHING on my boat--and it came directly over me---as much as to say "Well, that didn't work--we can still see you"--and it circled my vessel three and maybe four times in complete silence. I got the impression that the craft's control systems or beings were letting me have a good look but implying that I should not be worried--the craft made no threatening moves whatsoever--then it accelerated away out across the Coral Sea at such a speed as it took only seconds to vanish--still with that glimmering orange glow--and no other vapour trails or sounds, and it did not interfere with my electronics.

That is as it happened--make of it what you will. I was not pissed or drugged--but it would have been early hours of the morning, and I was the only one on watch.

I have the notion that turning on my radar was what got its attention.

[Cheechako]

I've seen lots of thing flying I couldn't identify. "Is that a Duck or a Teal?"

[barnakiel]

One in the Coral Sea and a handful in the Indian Ocean.


We have also hit one badly in the tropical part of the Atlantic ocean which caused a horrible broach and $$$ damage to the boat.


b.

[boatman61]

It took how many thousands of years for man to come up with the wheel.???
How many more thousands to come up with the Penny Farthing.???
Yet in 200 years we've leapt forwards technologically at illogical speed, with a little help from some friends perhaps.???

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by boatman61

It took how many thousands of years for man to come up with the wheel.???
How many more thousands to come up with the Penny Farthing.???
Yet in 200 years we've leapt forwards technologically at illogical speed, with a little help from some friends perhaps.???

Not likely.
Technological change is natural, accelerating, exponential, and compounding.

“Why It Took So Long to Invent the Wheel”
Wheels were invented circa 3,500 B.C., and rapidly spread across the Eastern Hemisphere.
➥ https://www.livescience.com/18808-invention-wheel.html

Some fun facts:

We tend to think that inventing the wheel was item number two, on our to-do list, after learning to walk upright.
But several significant inventions predated the wheel by thousands of years: sewing needles, woven cloth, rope, basket & fabric weaving, boats, and even the harp & flute.

Evidence indicates they were created to serve as potter’s wheels around 3500 B.C. in Mesopotamia - 300 years before someone figured out to use them for chariots [wheel & axle].

According to the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, the first patent involving a wheel was issued to James Macomb of Princeton, New Jersey, on August 26, 1791—just one year after the U.S. Patent Law was passed. Macomb’s invention was a design for a horizontal, hollow water wheel to create hydropower for mills.

John Keogh, a freelance patent lawyer in Australia, submitted a patent application for a “circular transportation facilitation device” in May 2001, shortly after a new patent system was introduced in Australia. He wanted to prove that the cheap, streamlined system, which allows inventors to draft a patent online without the help of a lawyer, was flawed. His “wheel” was issued a patent.

[bill352]

Originally Posted by OldManMirage

There are really only 3 likely scenarios.

One - the "good" one - is the Vulcan style, where they come to help.

Two - the "bad" one - is the Independence Day style, where they come to hurt us.

Three - the most unlikely, because either aliens One or Two would already be in charge of "things" - they just ignore us. Or at most just watch.

There is a fourth (possibly a subset of #2) outlined in R. A. Lafferty's short story, "In The Garden".

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/6100...-h/61007-h.htm

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Not likely.
Technological change is natural, accelerating, exponential, and compounding.

“Why It Took So Long to Invent the Wheel”
Wheels were invented circa 3,500 B.C., and rapidly spread across the Eastern Hemisphere.
➥ https://www.livescience.com/18808-invention-wheel.html

Some fun facts:

We tend to think that inventing the wheel was item number two, on our to-do list, after learning to walk upright.
But several significant inventions predated the wheel by thousands of years: sewing needles, woven cloth, rope, basket & fabric weaving, boats, and even the harp & flute.

Evidence indicates they were created to serve as potter’s wheels around 3500 B.C. in Mesopotamia - 300 years before someone figured out to use them for chariots [wheel & axle].

According to the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, the first patent involving a wheel was issued to James Macomb of Princeton, New Jersey, on August 26, 1791—just one year after the U.S. Patent Law was passed. Macomb’s invention was a design for a horizontal, hollow water wheel to create hydropower for mills.

John Keogh, a freelance patent lawyer in Australia, submitted a patent application for a “circular transportation facilitation device” in May 2001, shortly after a new patent system was introduced in Australia. He wanted to prove that the cheap, streamlined system, which allows inventors to draft a patent online without the help of a lawyer, was flawed. His “wheel” was issued a patent.

I believe learning to control fire was number two..
You only learn from Google etc what 'they' want you to believe.. to much knowledge is dangerous to the rulers..

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by boatman61

I believe learning to control fire was number two ...

Indeed.


Human Ancestors Tamed Fire Earlier Than Thought

The oldest unequivocal evidence, found at Israel’s Qesem Cave, dates back 300,000 to 400,000 years, associating the earliest control of fire with Homo sapiens and Neanderthals.

Now, however, an international team of archaeologists has unearthed what appear to be traces of campfires that flickered 1 million years ago. Consisting of charred animal bones and ashed plant remains, the evidence hails from South Africa’s Wonderwerk Cave, a site of human and early hominin habitation for 2 million years.

More ➥ https://www.history.com/news/human-a...r-than-thought

The oldest evidence for walking on two legs, about 6 million years ago, comes from one of the earliest humans known, Sahelanthropus.
About 4 million years ago, early human [Australopithicus afarensis] species that lived near open areas and dense woods, had evolved in ways that enabled them to walk upright. most of the time, but still climb trees. As a result, they could take advantage of both habitats.
By about 1.9 million years ago, Homo erectus had a curved spine, and other anatomical features similar to modern humans, allowing this early human to walk long distances.