Ever give up Booze?

[bps]

This is next to a Joke thread. How did these two get separated?

[SaltyMonkey]

Well, well, well. Look at that. This thread, once the pride of sobriety and a collection of deep personal stories, relaying tragedy and warning, a synergy of support for those trying to temporise and find meaning, has deteriorated now to a bunch of male testo-regressive thirteen year olds giggling about hedo-alcotobac experiences, trying to outdo and posture each other to some Academy of Narco Award.

Shame on thee and shame on all of you...

SaltyMonkey has spoken. that;s me.

[svmariane]

Originally Posted by bps

This is next to a Joke thread. How did these two get separated?

Because sometimes when you can't cry - when there simply are no more tears - you have to laugh.

"No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main..." People have shared personal experiences, got some smack for it, and also got some support; but they got it off their chest - and moved on. Laughter is the best medicine, as the saying goes.

I'm glad to have started this thread and am overwhelmed at the "legs" it has, the number of responses dealing with actual situations, and the empathy expressed.

Sure, some folk haven't seen what life looks like from inside the bottle and great for them. Happy for them. For others.... Well, it's easy to say "it was their choice" but that helps about as much two meters of fishing line when your anchor breaks loose in a storm.

This thread seems to have hit home with some folk. Peace and good luck to each of you. It's tough - but don't give up.

Just my two farthings worth....

James

[IdoraKeeper]

Nope, and likely won't need to. Just lucky that way. :trash

[svmariane]

Originally Posted by IdoraKeeper

Nope, and likely won't need to. Just lucky that way.

Good on you that booze isn't, and won't be, a problem!

But, sorry, I don't understand why you've added all those "sweeping out the trash" symbols. Care to explain?

[K_V_B]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Actually the attack on the Tobacco Industry was sponsored by the Oil and Automotive industry.. a handy whipping horse to deflect attention from the pollution and effects on health from the gases produced by fossil fuels..
Notice how.. in spite of a huge decrease in smoking how Asthma and Cancer cases are ever upward.. now they're blaming excess Sugar...

Well, you can't blame air quality, as that has markedly improved everywhere in the Western world. The air in most Western cities is today cleaner than it ever was in the last couple of centuries.
The move from horse drawn carriages to motor vehicles was actually good for the environment...

That cancer rates are up has mostly to do with better diagnoses, and the simple fact that there are more old people around.

[svmariane]

Originally Posted by K_V_B

Well, you can't blame air quality, as that has markedly improved everywhere in the Western world. The air in most Western cities is today cleaner than it ever was in the last couple of centuries.
The move from horse drawn carriages to motor vehicles was actually good for the environment...

That cancer rates are up has mostly to do with better diagnoses, and the simple fact that there are more old people around.

Oh, horse-hockey! It made walking city streets less problematic for your shoes, but removed a "natural" fertilizer from the system to be replaced by manufactured chemical composites. The documented smog of London wasn't due to horses but coal and wxr and while wxr remains, usage of coal is (ahem, cough cough) WAY down.

[tinkrman69]

Originally Posted by K_V_B

Well, you can't blame air quality, as that has markedly improved everywhere in the Western world. The air in most Western cities is today cleaner than it ever was in the last couple of centuries.
The move from horse drawn carriages to motor vehicles was actually good for the environment...

That cancer rates are up has mostly to do with better diagnoses, and the simple fact that there are more old people around.

Hah and where are you getting those facts? I suppose you agree with the governor of florida " there is no global warming, it's nuisance flooding". compare the rise of cancer, obesity and diabetes with the time of none food additives and fast food were introduced, in the late 1950's oh, not to be left out the pharmaceuticals. They will coincide.
Then there is the corporate push to work faster and own more, which makes both parents work and put kids in daycare. Then there is the push to make kids pick a major in middle school. There still kids, they should be playing and exploring creativity. stress causes disease too, both bodily and mentally. the list can go on and it's caused by one correctable thing, Greed. Hell even that same stress pushes people to drug addiction and alcoholism, genetically some people are only predisposed to it. doesn't mean they'll get it.

[Rustic Charm]

Originally Posted by K_V_B

Well, you can't blame air quality, as that has markedly improved everywhere in the Western world. The air in most Western cities is today cleaner than it ever was in the last couple of centuries.
The move from horse drawn carriages to motor vehicles was actually good for the environment...

That cancer rates are up has mostly to do with better diagnoses, and the simple fact that there are more old people around.

"the move from horse drawn carriages to motor vehicles was actually good for the environment"

Where do you get some of these claims from? Are they just made up? Or from the web page 'aliens are true dot com'

[GordMay]

The health benefits of moderate drinking are likely overstated, say Canadian researchers who reviewed 87 long-term studies on alcohol and death rates.
➥ http://www.jsad.com/doi/10.15288/jsad.2016.77.185
➥ Drinking alcohol offers no net health benefits, review finds - Health - CBC News

[Rustic Charm]

Originally Posted by GordMay

The health benefits of moderate drinking are likely overstated, say Canadian researchers who reviewed 87 long-term studies on alcohol and death rates.
➥ http://www.jsad.com/doi/10.15288/jsad.2016.77.185
➥ Drinking alcohol offers no net health benefits, review finds - Health - CBC News

And there are as many other links that will show the opposite.

Its like all food items, in moderation.

[boatman61]

Genetics is a shabby excuse for lack of self discipline.. akin to a god for personal responsibility..
You are what you eat.. support your system and it will support you.
Overuse of sterilisers in the home, obsession with germ free environments and personal cleanliness.. addiction to junk food like burgers where the meat used is mainly fat and gristle flensed off bones.. the list is very long..
Skin Cancers on the increase.. what do you expect when you keep slapping petroleum by products on yourselves and your kids..
Use Johnsons Baby Oil on your child.. Gentle Care for sensitive skin..
Yeah.. follow the Ad Mans fantasy..
Folk are amused I roll my own..
I'm amused they continue to suck down chemicals like Saltpetre in their fancy cancer sticks..
Genetics are a part.. but definitely not the whole.. just the sad lament of the lazy.

[s/v Jedi]

Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey

Well, well, well. Look at that. This thread, once the pride of sobriety and a collection of deep personal stories, relaying tragedy and warning, a synergy of support for those trying to temporise and find meaning, has deteriorated now to a bunch of male testo-regressive thirteen year olds giggling about hedo-alcotobac experiences, trying to outdo and posture each other to some Academy of Narco Award.

Shame on thee and shame on all of you...

SaltyMonkey has spoken. that;s me.

You, who want prohibition back call shame on others? Imho it would be wiser to point the finger at yourself, enjoy life no matter what cards it deals, recognize that humor is a healing force, not something to be ashamed of. Bitterness is the opposite and should be avoided.

[a64pilot]

Genetics play a huge role, more than you want to admit.
Beautiful women usually were born that way, Genetics.
Often Children having Cancer, disabilities were born that way, genetics.
More often than not, short heavy set, fat if you will parents have short, fat children, Genetics.
Tall, skinny parents usually have tall, skinny children, Genetics

Yes, stress, greed, and fast food all play a huge role as does the chemicals in the environment now.

Want to read something interesting, look up the average breast size of women and the average age of puberty for girls now as opposed to 50 years ago. What's the cause, I have no idea, but I believe it to be alarming, something is going on.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by SaltyMonkey View Post

Well, well, well. Look at that. This thread, once the pride of sobriety and a collection of deep personal stories, relaying tragedy and warning, a synergy of support for those trying to temporise and find meaning, has deteriorated now to a bunch of male testo-regressive thirteen year olds giggling about hedo-alcotobac experiences, trying to outdo and posture each other to some Academy of Narco Award.

Shame on thee and shame on all of you...

SaltyMonkey has spoken. that;s me.

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

You, who want prohibition back call shame on others? Imho it would be wiser to point the finger at yourself, enjoy life no matter what cards it deals, recognize that humor is a healing force, not something to be ashamed of. Bitterness is the opposite and should be avoided.

I'll agree with you Jedi.. its mainly just a feeble excuse to lay the blame at someone else's door instead of exercising responsibility and self control..
Everyone has.. and makes a choice.. apart from some babies born to heroin addicts no one is born with set addictions.. same as criminals who blame their parents or their environment... to many ready to judge.. and to many crying victim..
Man up or Shut Up..