A Rant . . . OK, a Moan

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by Mariness

Are you allowed to leave someone on the dock in a foreign country? That would be my preference too, but ... I have this suspicion that the government of said nation would be unwilling to allow you to deposit someone on their shores - if you were responsible for getting them into the country, aren't the officials there going to consider you responsible for getting them out as well?

Depends on where you are and where the crew is from.

Assuming the crew in this case was from the UK dumping them in Gibralter probably would have been fine since Gibralter is a UK possession.

For US citizens you could certainly dump someone from the mainland on Hawai'i, probably also on American Samoa, Porto Rico, Guam, US Virgin Islands and perhaps the Mariana's and a number of other more minor possessions. It gets stickier to predict the more minor the possession.

This is not to say the crew couldn't sue you for breach of contract, written or otherwise.

[Chief Engineer]

For US citizens you could certainly dump someone from the mainland on Hawai'i, probably also on American Samoa, Porto Rico, Guam, US Virgin Islands and perhaps the Mariana's and a number of other more minor possessions. It gets stickier to predict the more minor the possession.


I don't think so......as much as you would like to....it would open up a can of worms and perpetuate the already common practice of stiffing delivery crews.

I have had friends who have delivered vessels and the owners found all kinds of ways to renege on their obligation.

BTW Whinging as in signing......I like that

[BlueSeas]

Dang!

Seems you need to apologize to her and invite her back for 1/2 a day of a 1 day cruise! Of course the MOB drill would be woefully unsuccessful.

Sounds like she was smoking while on watch. Made laying down make sense to her. Next time put out the fire where it is attacking the boat and let the crew member run topside flaming and find her own solution to the fire (like jump overboard).

You're a class act. Congrats on not being dragged down to her level and keeping your standards high (different kind of high of course).

[Adelie]

Originally Posted by Chief Engineer

For US citizens you could certainly dump someone from the mainland on Hawai'i, probably also on American Samoa, Porto Rico, Guam, US Virgin Islands and perhaps the Mariana's and a number of other more minor possessions. It gets stickier to predict the more minor the possession.

I don't think so......as much as you would like to....it would open up a can of worms and perpetuate the already common practice of stiffing delivery crews.

I have had friends who have delivered vessels and the owners found all kinds of ways to renege on their obligation.

BTW Whinging as in signing......I like that

The question I was addressing was where would it be legal to dump misbehaving pickup crew (not paid delivery crew) as opposed to where it would be moral.

What is Whinging?

[SurferShane]

Originally Posted by Adelie

Depends on where you are and where the crew is from.

I am sure in the case of the individual in the post as long there was a bit of nightlife and a few shady characters distributing little tablets and other illicit substances she would not care where she was “dumped”?

Anyway, over here in Australia we have some really tight immigration laws and some wonderful new accommodation called ‘Detention Centres”. You can at least be sure they will eventually get flown home after being housed and feed courtesy of the Australian taxpayer.

On both the moral and legal side, I can’t see why you would be expected to keep onboard an individual who is an obvious danger to the well-being of the ship and other crew. Just in case, maybe this is an issue I should raise on anther online group lead by a Barrister who specialises in Maritime Law?

[dacust]

Originally Posted by Adelie

The question I was addressing was where would it be legal to dump misbehaving pickup crew (not paid delivery crew) as opposed to where it would be moral.

What is Whinging?

whinging - definition of whinging by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

whinge [wɪndʒ] Informal
vb whinges, whingeing, whinged (intr)
1. to cry in a fretful way
2. to complain
n
a complaint
[from a Northern variant of Old English hwinsian to whine; related to Old High German winsan, winisan, whence Middle High German winsen]
whingeing n & adj
whinger n

-dan

[Mariness]

Well, I at least wasn't whinging (in the US we say whining).
I was simply asking a question, in response to a number of posts suggesting the best course of action would be to put her stuff on the dock and wave goodbye. Which to me sounds like the receiving nation might interpret as illegal-immigrant-smuggling.
The point about Gibraltar being a UK possession makes sense, but outside of a situation like that, I'd rather be out the cost of a plane ticket than lose the boat to the local version of INS.

[SurferShane]

Originally Posted by Mariness

Well, I at least wasn't whinging (in the US we say whining).

I just can’t understand why people need to get so politically correct and downright nasty. I even consider that the original post was more properly characterised as a “vent” than a “whinge”. Why not use the net to release some of these tensions, warn others of the dubious circumstances and maybe even find a few remedies in the process?

When I get a bit of time I will have to question my college who specialises in Maritime law about the Captains right to deposit crew and/or passengers who are a threat to the vessel on foreign shores.

[Therapy]

Originally Posted by SurferShane

Anyway, over here in Australia we have some really tight immigration laws and some wonderful new accommodation called ‘Detention Centres”. You can at least be sure they will eventually get flown home after being housed and feed courtesy of the Australian taxpayer.

Over here we just let them go do what they want.

Then we change signs and education requirements so they can seamlessly use their native tongue.

[Chief Engineer]

Google Tetley Maritime Law

[SurferShane]

Originally Posted by Therapy

Over here we just let them go do what they want.

Then we change signs and education requirements so they can seamlessly use their native tongue.

While it is a bit off topic, we are working up to an election over here and one of the biggest issues is immigration. The current government is opting for even tighter immigration laws and a small Australia policy. To enforce the policies there is a huge new border protection and customs vessel berthed in Newcastle harbour. It is of massive proportions and looks like a tugboat on steroids that was designed for polar exploration on a grand scale (if I get a chance I will post a photo). So no matter where you come from it is NOT a good time to go getting yourself put off a ship in Australian waters.

[SurferShane]

Originally Posted by Chief Engineer

Google Tetley Maritime Law

I am actually thinking I might suggest the issue as a topic for a monthly Maritime Law lecture that the Barrister hosts. (Noting it might be nice to get away form this computer and listen to someone “real”!)

[EllanVannin]

Crikey Paige

Sounds like you had a lucky escape. Take a deep breath and enjoy remainder of your trip

Regards Clare

[YOG]

Hello there,

My family agrees that it is perfectly ethical to post this dreadful woman's name on a public 'No Crew' list. Indeed it would be a public service!

Best,

"Yog"

[Arch Stanton]

Originally Posted by rebel heart

8oz of pot is a lot of pot.

Yeah that's like the size of a loaf of bread.

He's talking about resin though. Sounds like a chunk of hash to me.