Huge Cocaine haul off sailing boat!

[Group9]

Alcohol should show the futility of any kind of thoughts that you help the people who abuse drugs. With alcohol:
Outlawing it, didn't fix the problems.
Legalizing it, didn't fix the problems.
Trying to regulate it, doesn't fix the problems.

Drugs are pretty much in the same boat.

No one has any great ideas, only versions of one of two solutions.
a. Fight harder, spend more money, impose more penalties.
b. Give up, legalize it, try and isolate those who cause problems from the rest of society in some way other than incarceration.

Neither seems to work that great. People, at this point, are well aware of the dangers of alcohol and drug abuse. It doesn't seem to stop them from doing both.

[ontherocks83]

Originally Posted by skipmac

Friend that was in the Navy told me something similar. If a sailor got sunburned to the extent that he/she was unfit for duty it was a court martial offense. Basically it is the sailors' personal responsibility to guard against sunburn.

It's a chargeable offense, seen it happen. Don't think it would go all the way to court martial though, you can be "charged" with out seeing a court room. It's somewhat treated like damaging government property.

[davefromoregon]

Originally Posted by Mark1977

Shouldn't this be in the "make money while cruising" thread???

Or guns, but probably not anchors.


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[boatman61]

Originally Posted by ontherocks83

It's a chargeable offense, seen it happen. Don't think it would go all the way to court martial though, you can be "charged" with out seeing a court room. It's somewhat treated like damaging government property.

Comes under the heading of 'Self Inflicted Injury'.. usually resulted in stoppage of leave and pay accompanied by extra duties when I was in the 'Mob'...
Also folk seem to think the drug culture is a new thing.. but Cocaine was Coca Cola's secret ingredient once till it was made illegal.. then they switched to caffeine..
The British tea trade was built on Opium.. the Chinese curse..
Things only get made illegal when it no longer suits the states purpose..

[JPA Cate]

Originally Posted by Spindrift NH

I'm in the market for a boat like that, wonder if I could pick it up for cheap?
Anyone ever purchase a gov. seized boat and how does one find a "listing"?

There are a couple of things you might want to be aware of: 1) confiscated sailboats sit around a long time before they're auctioned off--in one case, it was left open to the elements, and had a lot of water damage; 2) the name of the vessel is in the shared international registries of drug running boats--so you'll receive extra scrutiny by participating nations when you arrive requesting inbound clearance.

Ann.

[Turnone]

Originally Posted by malbert73

How do you figure that?

I'm a doctor and part of my work is a practice is in inner city Baltimore. Lost count of how many strokes and heart attacks I've seen in relatively young people (and surprisingly old people as well) due to cocaine. And at minimum, when folks get addicted they tend to spend all their money and time on cocaine binges, and their overall health deteriorates as well.
Heroin may be the king of physiologic addiction, but the psychologic addiction of cocaine is unparelleled. Both have ruined lots of lives and health that I've seen. It's possible that the fact that they're illegal may deter some young people on the fence from trying, or it's possible it doesn't matter.

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I don't figure that. Lot's of Doctors, other than you have studied it directly and all found that Alcohol was much more harmful than Cocaine. Cocaine isn't good for society.

How many other drug OD's have you seen from prescription drugs? Alcohol?

If it was regulated, it would be even less harmful. I'm not saying it's good, I'm just saying that every civilization since the beginning of civilizations has used drugs. I suspect every future one will as well.

Over 700,000 arrests in the US alone for cannabis annually. The stats are undeniable that the drug war doesn't work.

Kids can get illegal drugs easier than legal drugs.

And we can't keep drugs out of prisons, with armed guards, tall fences and razor wire, I'm pretty sure we can't keep illegal drugs out of anywhere.

Therefore, I'm for the less harmful approach of using that money to work on abuse and prevent crime, not arrest and imprison the masses the dealers or the users.

I'm hopeful that I will live to see the day that we don't try to imprison our way out of a drug epidemic.

Chris

[a64pilot]

Now see I'm no Dr., but I just don't think you should compare Cannibus to Cocaine or Opium, Herion etc.
Seems they are an entirely different type of thing, like alcohol and caffeine

[Turnone]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

Now see I'm no Dr., but I just don't think you should compare Cannibus to Cocaine or Opium, Herion etc.
Seems they are an entirely different type of thing, like alcohol and caffeine

If this was directed at me, I agree. They are different levels. My point is that some drugs seem horrible but upon examining the evidence aren't as bad as we were lead to believe.

LSD, ecstasy, shrooms, etc. Vs alcohol, tobacco.

[robert sailor]

When I was a kid my Dad would buy Lotto tickets from the Irish sweepstakes. In Canada it was illegal and everyone tried keeping it a big secret. The Churches used to give sermons on this form of gambling and how it was the devils work etc. Now the Governments are in the Lotto business up to their arm pits and the churches have their big Bingo nights so no more sermons and no more Governments saying its bad.

As most people with any common sense know its best to give people what they want, be it tobacco, alcohol, drugs etc and regulate and tax it. That removes much of the crime surrounding it. Education is the key, I can get drugs any time I want even with the legions of Government police, Coast Guard etc. its easy peasy but I choose not to.
My children and my Grand Children can also use drugs but like me they choose not to and I don't worry about it. Big Brother (Governments) do a lot of things for self interest. Your tax money goes to keep this huge bureaucracy and their high paid staffs in business. They continue to scare you with their ******** and you continue to buy into it. Its gone on like this for ever.
If you want to worry about something read the last interview with Snowden on what the Government is doing these days, now that is scarey!

[Rustic Charm]

Originally Posted by robert sailor

When I was a kid my Dad would buy Lotto tickets from the Irish sweepstakes. In Canada it was illegal and everyone tried keeping it a big secret. The Churches used to give sermons on this form of gambling and how it was the devils work etc. Now the Governments are in the Lotto business up to their arm pits and the churches have their big Bingo nights so no more sermons and no more Governments saying its bad.

As most people with any common sense know its best to give people what they want, be it tobacco, alcohol, drugs etc and regulate and tax it. That removes much of the crime surrounding it. Education is the key, I can get drugs any time I want even with the legions of Government police, Coast Guard etc. its easy peasy but I choose not to.
My children and my Grand Children can also use drugs but like me they choose not to and I don't worry about it. Big Brother (Governments) do a lot of things for self interest. Your tax money goes to keep this huge bureaucracy and their high paid staffs in business. They continue to scare you with their ******** and you continue to buy into it. Its gone on like this for ever.
If you want to worry about something read the last interview with Snowden on what the Government is doing these days, now that is scarey!

Yes, I agree.

I was a cop for 14 years and I'm an ordained baptist, and I now work with families often affected by drugs. Prohibition is not winning the war, not by a long shot, not when the drug cartels have ten times the budget. And those that are really loosing out are families of users, and when the courts step in and send the user to jail for an addiction, the families loose out even more.

My experience tells me that the 'church' is one obstacle to reforming the way drugs are dealt with. Most Christians have the idea that if it's illegal the problem is fixed and that's it! Full stop! They think this about prositution, drugs, gambling, porn. Police generally have a better awareness but let's face it, finance for drug operations is a big part of their budgets. Who wants to loose all that..

In my view no drug should be illegal to use. Education and awareness is the key, but also community improvements and job creation projects. Social and community reform.

[FlyingCloud1937]

Originally Posted by avb3

Addictive drugs are extremely harmful (as are many of the 'designer' ones). That being said, Portugal decriminalized personal use possession amounts on everything, and rather than spending $$$ on policing illegal drugs, they are spending them on treating the addicts.

A good article in Der Spiegle (in English) on this.

'This Is Working': 'Drug Users Aren't Criminals, They're Sick' - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Perhaps the so called war on drugs would be better served on helping the addicted. Large scale smuggling obviously should still be targeted for interdiction.

Wow... cocaine is a money laundering drug. There is no value to any economy other then the point of origin.

So every dollar spent on helping the addicted is another dollar, those not addicted have to pay on top of the dollar drafted out of the economy by the state producers.

If you want to support addiction, then at least do as the Grow Close to Home Farmer to Market.

Then you as the tax payer, won't be supporting a Foreign Terror Group.

Global marketing, SHOULD NOT INCLUDE illicit, MONEY SCAMS.



Lloyd

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by FlyingCloud1937

Wow... cocaine is a money laundering drug. There is no value to any economy other then the point of origin.

So every dollar spent on helping the addicted is another dollar, those not addicted have to pay on top of the dollar drafted out of the economy by the state producers.

If you want to support addiction, then at least do as the Grow Close to Home Farmer to Market.

Then you as the tax payer, won't be supporting a Foreign Terror Group.

Global marketing, SHOULD NOT INCLUDE illicit, MONEY SCAMS.



Lloyd

LMAO.... global marketing IS money scams...
And.. if you calculate the total cost of the so called War on Drugs then calculated costs for state run rehab centres the diffence could likely cover free health care for every US citizen...

[FlyingCloud1937]

Originally Posted by boatman61

LMAO.... global marketing IS money scams...
And.. if you calculate the total cost of the so called War on Drugs then calculated costs for state run rehab centres the diffence could likely cover free health care for every US citizen...

It seems you missed my point!!!

Lloyd

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by FlyingCloud1937

It seems you missed my point!!!

Lloyd

The complaint about your paying more taxes...???
Thought pointing out a more efficient use and the benefits for the same amount or possibly less might please you..
But then again.. ever known a state reduce taxes for other than the few who have loadsa $$$ already:biggri n:

[boatman61]

Meet a 'as you call it.. International Terrorist'

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Mr Nice Directed by Bernard Rose Produced by Luc Roeg Screenplay by Bernard Rose Based on Mr Nice
by Howard Marks Starring

• Rhys Ifans
• Chloë Sevigny
• Crispin Glover
• David Thewlis

Music by Philip Glass Cinematography Bernard Rose Edited by

• Teresa Font
• Bernard Rose

Production
company Independent Film Productions
Kanzaman
Distributed by Contender Entertainment (UK)
MPI Media Group (US) Release dates

• 14 March 2010 (2010-03-14) (SXSW)
• 8 October 2010 (2010-10-08) (UK & IRL)
• 3 June 2011 (2011-06-03) (US)

Running time 121 minutes Country

• United Kingdom
• Spain

Language English Box office £528,534 Mr Nice[1] (US title Mr. Nice) is a 2010 British-Spanish crime-drama. Directed by Bernard Rose, Mr Nice is in part a biopic due to it being a loose film adaptation of Mr Nice, the 1997 cult autobiography by Howard Marks. The film features an ensemble cast starring Rhys Ifans as Howard Marks (with Marks himself giving Ifans instruction), along with David Thewlis, Omid Djalili and Jack Huston, with Crispin Glover and Chloë Sevigny.
Ifans portrays Marks, a real-life Welsh marijuana smuggler who ran one of the biggest global cannabis smuggling operations from the late 1960s to the early 1980s, mostly while on the run. Marks associated with some of the more colourful characters of the era, allegedly even cutting deals with the likes of the FBI, the Mafia, the IRA and MI6. After serving time in Terre Haute, one of the "toughest" prisons in the United States, Marks stopped smuggling and dealing in cannabis (although he still openly uses the drug himself), and gained wider fame as a pro cannabis campaigner, stand-up comedian, actor (at least in cameos), lads mag columnist, television show panelist, music producer, motivational speaker, and even prospective Member of Parliament.
Like Marks' autobiography on which it is based, the film has polarized critics.

Don't believe all the ******** that spouted by Government..