German killed this morning, St Vincent

[boatman61]

[QUOTE=s/v Jedi;2063660]Jedi figured boatman is far away enough to risk buying a new bottle
QUOTE]

Skipper available.. to Panama..

[krafthaus]

We were there in January 2013. It's steep coming into shore at Wallilabou so boats set the anchor out front and tie the stern off to a palm tree or whatever. You are not far off shore at all once set.


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[Larry Florida]

Sounds lawless, similar to my experience in Thailand.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by boatman61

How do you reach that conclusion..??
Did I miss something in the report..???
One thing I did notice however.. that boat is anchored way to close to shore..
I tend to anchor just a tad further than I can swim freestyle before getting winded.. and I was a competitive swimmer in my youth.
Most islanders tho' surrounded by water are not great swimmers and 500metres or more from the nearest point of shore is discouraging.
One could always arrange suitable security however.. keep a container with bloody entrails in your fridge and chuck some over the stern before you crash..

I don't think distance from the coast will matter.

Someone that will want to robe a yacht would not do so swimming but will be using a small boat.

Probably the only thing that will help is the company of surrounding yachts.

[conachair]

Originally Posted by Polux

Someone that will want to robe a yacht would not do so swimming but will be using a small boat.

Didn't when I got robbed in the middle of a bay in Cape Verdes. Swam a long way with a candle in a bag.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Polux

I don't think distance from the coast will matter.

Someone that will want to robe a yacht would not do so swimming but will be using a small boat.

Think you will find more than 80% of these anchorage incidents are swimmers.. even Colon which has croc's in the waters locals swim out to boats.
The day before I got to Shelter Bay in 2012 a boat was anchored Colon side near the old YC.. and close to the Transit assembly point.
While his crew were ashore in the dinghy 4 guys swam out to the boat which was fairly close in and beat the skipper up badly.. they wanted the location of his safe. Would not believe he did not have one.
Thoughts like yours get folks dead..

[Polux]

Originally Posted by conachair

Didn't when I got robbed in the middle of a bay in Cape Verdes. Swam a long way with a candle in a bag.

A candle in a bag?

[conachair]

Originally Posted by Polux

A candle in a bag?

The candle & bag it was in were found in the cockpit with some matches the next morning. Maybe some people are too poor to afford LED torches..

[s/v Jedi]

I agree that many will swim out to you. Yachts anchored close to the beach in St Lucia are often targeted incl. very violent rape and assault.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Think you will find more than 80% of these anchorage incidents are swimmers.. even Colon which has croc's in the waters locals swim out to boats.
The day before I got to Shelter Bay in 2012 a boat was anchored Colon side near the old YC.. and close to the Transit assembly point.
While his crew were ashore in the dinghy 4 guys swam out to the boat which was fairly close in and beat the skipper up badly.. they wanted the location of his safe. Would not believe he did not have one.
Thoughts like yours get folks dead..

You mean like being safer in company with other yachts?

Maybe you are right, don't have any statistic about that even if I do know of many assaults made with boats. Hard to carry guns swimming.

Anyway I don't understand how can yachts be robbed by swimmers if some basic preventive measures are taken like taken the stairs out of water and put the dinghy aboard.

It is very difficult to come aboard a yacht swimming and the only way is by the anchor chain but it is needed a very fit guy to do that. I can't and most will not be able to do that. Anyway the movements on the boat that implies would alert the crew and don't seem to me difficult to trough back on the water somebody that would be attempting that.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by conachair

The candle & bag it was in were found in the cockpit with some matches the next morning. Maybe some people are too poor to afford LED torches..

It seems you were not aboard. How did the guy manage to climb to your boat?

[conachair]

Originally Posted by Polux

It seems you were not aboard. How did the guy manage to climb to your boat?

I was aboard. Alone. They did it very quietly (thank goodness!) , then launched the dinghy which was on deck to get away.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Polux

You mean like being safer in company with other yachts?

Maybe you are right, don't have any statistic about that even if I do know of many assaults made with boats. Hard to carry guns swimming.

Anyway I don't understand how can yachts be robbed by swimmers if some basic preventive measures are taken like taken the stairs out of water and put the dinghy aboard.

It is very difficult to come aboard a yacht swimming and the only way is by the anchor chain but it is needed a very fit guy to do that. I can't and most will not be able to do that. Anyway the movements on the boat that implies would alert the crew and don't seem to me difficult to trough back on the water somebody that would be attempting that.

But Polux.. every boat you've shown us as the 'Way to Go' on another thread has little or no stern.. and the 20+year old fad for easy access sugar bathing platforms make it a doddle..
Also.. machete's are the popular local weapon.. its the Americans who carry the guns...
As for the anchor chain access.. if I at 67 can do it.. a young guy will fly up it

[monte]

Willabalou is dodgy. We anchor in the bay rather than tie ashore. We get along with most boat boys but the guys there are pretty annoying. Tying ashore there is literally 20m off the beach.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by boatman61

But Polux.. every boat you've shown us as the 'Way to Go' on another thread has little or no stern.. and the 20+year old fad for easy access sugar bathing platforms make it a doddle..
Also.. machete's are the popular local weapon.. its the Americans who carry the guns...
As for the anchor chain access.. if I at 67 can do it.. a young guy will fly up it

You are wrong about the access on a boat with open transom. The open transom is not at water level and you would not manage to go up the same way you would not manage to go up a marina pontoon if you fell on the water, unless there is a stair.

They are at about the same level, maybe the pontoon a bit lower. That is on my boat that is a performance one. On main market cruising boats or bigger boats with open transoms the cockpit deck and the open transom is much higher.