Canada bans NWP to Canadian Cruisers

[Pegu Club]

Canada’s Territorial waters are Governed by Canada, not some guy who wants to take a leisure trip, I really don’t get what people don’t understand, it’s an IQ test folks, and it’s an easy one at that. The answer is you can’t go there until Canada says you can. It doesn’t matter that you don’t like it, one can complain all one wants to, it makes no difference, you get no voice in this matter. Go somewhere else, they don’t want you in their country, you have no rights concerning this. Yikes people...

Fair winds,

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

The Canadian borders are closed to all non-essential visitors right now.

Anchoring is not incidental to a NWP, it is essential. Hence it is a planned arrival which is specifically banned.

Don't like it? Sue the government.

Apples and oranges. The question GTom asked was "does dropping an anchor without landing violate innocent passage?" - You answered incorrectly, and I corrected that with a cite right from UNCLOS.

I have no qualms about the Canadian government suspending transit passage or archipelagic passage, or whatever they've done - that's all covered under another section of UNCLOS. It probably has very little to do with whether or not a vessel would need to anchor, but more to do with the realistic expectation that a small vessel would have a tough time doing the passage completely unsupported, and might have to make landfall and even overwinter - which would unnecessarily expose the locals to COVID-19. If you could provide a link to any authority that supports your notion that anchoring in itself constitutes an arrival, that would be very helpful.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Lodesman

Apples and oranges. The question GTom asked was "does dropping an anchor without landing violate innocent passage?" - You answered incorrectly, and I corrected that with a cite right from UNCLOS.

I believe YOU are misinterpreting the agreement.

[Northbound44]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Unfortunately the USA has never signed on to the UNCLOS.

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Newfoundland is not Arctic. It is below the 60th parallel. However, Newfoundland has basically barred all non-residents from entering the province. So while this federal ban does not restrict travel to the province, the provincial ban certainly means you can't land (unless you're a Newfoundlander).

It’s called the «*Atlantic Bubble*»

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...risk-1.5635353

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by Northbound44

It’s called the «*Atlantic Bubble*»

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfo...risk-1.5635353

Uhmmm, yes...? But what has this to do with the topic?

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

I believe YOU are misinterpreting the agreement.

Who needs to interpret it? It's written in black and white:

passage includes stopping and anchoring, but only in so far as the same are incidental to ordinary navigation

"Incidental" would include holding for an opposing vessel to clear a narrow passage (as in the ice), waiting for favourable tide or current, waiting for an ice-jam to clear, etc etc. How do you interpret it? And can you cite an authority that shares that opinion?

[mitiempo]

Originally Posted by Lodesman

Who needs to interpret it? It's written in black and white.....

Yes it is.

It is closed, period, so if you cannot enter the passage you cannot anchor in the passage.

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by mitiempo

Yes it is.

It is closed, period, so if you cannot enter the passage you cannot anchor in the passage.

No it's not closed, period. It's closed to passage by recreational vessels, but commercial vessels can still enjoy innocent passage. Recreational vessels may also enjoy innocent passage in the territorial sea, with 60 days written notice. Regardless, a discussion about what constitutes "innocent passage" has no bearing whatsoever on what is happening in one particular country's waters.

[Nauticus]

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Originally Posted by nwdiver

If you want to transit the NWP during a global pandemic........you are an IDIOT......and deserve to be polar bear food.

[sea2ocean]

Originally Posted by undercutter

As of June 1st, Canadian flagged pleasure craft are banned in artic waters North of the 60th parallel.

But of course foreign flagged cruising vessels can still transit. I guess I will have to change my flag again.

It's about as smart as your leader signing up for ONLY the Chinese vaccine. They've been so open and trustworthy about things so far.

[NaClyDog]

Originally Posted by sea2ocean

It's about as smart as your leader signing up for ONLY the Chinese vaccine. They've been so open and trustworthy about things so far.

I don't know where got your facts but this is complete and utter nonsense. Canada signed deals to acquire just about every possible vaccine candidate. And currently, four are approved for use in the country.


None of those being from any Chinese producer.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by sea2ocean

It's about as smart as your leader signing up for ONLY the Chinese vaccine. They've been so open and trustworthy about things so far.

That was true, back in May, of 2020.

An agreement, between the Canadian government, and CanSino Biologics Inc., would have made the latter the first company to conduct clinical trials for a COVID vaccine in Canada. It was also the first deal through which Canada could have secured a vaccine supply.
The National Research Council (NRC), the federal government’s scientific research organization, signed a deal with CanSino on May 6, 2020, to conduct Phase 1 and 2 clinical trials of its COVID vaccine. Trials were meant to take place at Dalhousie University’s Canadian Center for Vaccinology. CanSino’s product, called Ad5-nCoV, was considered one of the world’s top vaccine candidates, at the time. It was made with the help of the Chinese military’s research arm.
Under this agreement, CanSino was to provide candidate vaccine doses and transfer their vaccine technology, free of charge, for Phase 1 and 2 clinical trials in Canada, and grant the NRC a non-exclusive right to use, produce, and reproduce the vaccine for emergency pandemic use.
On May 19, the federal government learned that the shipments of the vaccine candidate were being held, by China’s customs agency, at Beijing Capital International Airport. China’s State Council, the country’s cabinet, refused to issue the approval letter, allowing the vaccine to ship to Canada. Around the same time, Chinese-made vaccine candidates were permitted to ship to other countrie,s for trials similar to those CanSino had agreed to with the NRC.
The failed vaccine collaboration came in the middle of diplomatic tensions, between Canada and China, which continue.
Two Canadians, Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, have been in jail in China for more than two years. Officials from both countries’ governments have linked their imprisonment to the arrest of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou, whose trial in Canada will determine whether she’s extradited to the U.S., to face charges of violating American trade sanctions against Iran.