Beneteau, Bavaria and Jeanneau

[SaltyMonkey]

Heres the summary so far. Let me know if there are any missing or mistated:

Jeanneau 40 DS (not a great sailer)
Jeanneau Sunlight
Beneteau Idylle
Beneteau First 38
Beneteau First 375
Beneteau 393
Beneteau First 40
Beneteau 411
Beneteau First 456

Anyone know the pro/cons on the Jennie Gin Fizz?

[topi]

Originally Posted by MarkJ

Why would re-newing standing rigging be an 'of course'?

I wouldnt buy aboat that needed the standing rigging replaced. Especially on an 80's production boat. The cost would be half the value of the boat unless you do it yourself in the USA or Trinadad...

Mark

Because you do not want to lose your mast in the middle of an ocean. And generally, the insurance companies demand that the rigging is maximum 10 years old. Or am I mistaken?

I am not really knowledgeable about these issues, I'm just parroting the things I have heard from more experienced sailors...

[SaltyMonkey]

The rigging - most likely meaning the shrouds and stays. Not the fixed rigging as in mast, boom, and tangs etc. Masts to wear out and need replacement, but takes a good amount of travel.

[DannySt]

Originally Posted by bg9208

Are there an y known problems with boats by these builders making them less attractive for passage making?
Looking for a 12-13Metre for liveaboard so any input from satisfied (or unhappy) owners would be appreciated.
TAI
Whatnot@free.fr

In one word - pounding.

[SaltyMonkey]

Ahh yes, but Mark and others would disagree and say it depends on how you sail it - the angle and the degree of heel.

[martyn]

I have a 2002 bavaria 36 and have sailed it around the world and done two Atlantic crossings and the med in and out without a hitch apart from normal maintenance

[kas_1611]

As an owner of a 2010/11 Bavaria Cruiser 40 and as a liveaboard I can't fault her. She's easy to sail, copes with nasty conditions well (talking 45kts of wind and crappy seas), has loads of space and stowage and is comfortable.

Looked at Benetubs, Hanse and others during our search and none of the others quite ticked the boxes for what we wanted. Yes it often comes down to personal preferences so it is hard to say if an particular person will like a particular boat. Bit like the Ford/GM debate, you either love Fords or GMs not both.

For round the Med cruising any of the mass produced boats will be fine. They are all RCD class A which theoretically means they are open ocean rated although many will argue the toss on that point. I agree that she's not a true bluewater cruiser but I'm happy enough to consider a trans Med sojourn in ours at some point in the neat future.

After 5 years and 3600 miles under the keel she looks as good today as when we collected her. Nothing has broken, no maintenance issues, no engine issues or anything like that. Only thing I have changed is the anchor for a much bigger and better one than the Delta it came with.

At the end of the day if you are going to liveaboard you have to go with the boat that feels like a home to you.

Keiron