I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...

[nematon785]

Just thought I'd whack the hornets nest with a broom here.

Full keels are not dying out, they are dead. broaching in big waves, nd swamped cockpits, so heavy you need a turbo on the big diesel, bow sprits closing on 10 feet long, and the lee way OMG, trying to park or drive in reverse don't even bother

SSB installation at $6000 plus ya gotta have the whatever mail program and a computer to decipher morse code into weather maps, complexity, confusion, waiting to connect to the source, sunspots, and huge power consumption. A satellite solution is so quick, simple, easy, and cheaper.

Luke anchors that are effective are so heavy a literal crane aboard is needed to drag it out of the bilge, mantis or rocna on a chain is the latest thang.

Hard dinghy with oars? Cmon! no body uses this ancient stuff anymore. 30+ horsepower and a RIB gets us there in style well dressed not blown out to sea, capsized, sunk or paddling around against the current for hours.

tan barked canvas sails, tarred hemp lines, blocks a plenty to increase purchase vs a big ol electric winch and full battened laminate wings. guess who gets to port quicker, and who weathers the storm from plodding along at snail pace?

Paper charts? as a place mat maybe.

A mono hull? ya gotta be kidding. old news. cats are all that counts anymore.

A windvane? are you serious?! with modern wind aware below deck autopilots connected to the nmea networked chartplotter why even throw away the money on such an antique?

A boat of any kind under 40 feet? only lunatics would make any passage over 50 miles from shore or 10 hours on such a dangerous vessel

Catching rain is so 1970. do you use a tye dye tarp for that? time to get with the water making program. nice water jugs strapped to your stays and shrouds. looks quaint.

rice and beans? no. refrigeration yes.

It all flows the way of the loran and the sextant.

Yeah, I'm being a bit of a smart a$$.

[sailormed]

Shouldn't this be in the thread "Grumpy old man...."?

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by nematon785

Just thought I'd whack the hornets nest with a broom here.

Full keels are not dying out, they are dead. broaching in big waves, nd swamped cockpits, so heavy you need a turbo on the big diesel, bow sprits closing on 10 feet long, and the lee way OMG, trying to park or drive in reverse don't even bother

SSB installation at $6000 plus ya gotta have the whatever mail program and a computer to decipher morse code into weather maps, complexity, confusion, waiting to connect to the source, sunspots, and huge power consumption. A satellite solution is so quick, simple, easy, and cheaper.

Luke anchors that are effective are so heavy a literal crane aboard is needed to drag it out of the bilge, mantis or rocna on a chain is the latest thang.

Hard dinghy with oars? Cmon! no body uses this ancient stuff anymore. 30+ horsepower and a RIB gets us there in style well dressed not blown out to sea, capsized, sunk or paddling around against the current for hours.

tan barked canvas sails, tarred hemp lines, blocks a plenty to increase purchase vs a big ol electric winch and full battened laminate wings. guess who gets to port quicker, and who weathers the storm from plodding along at snail pace?

Paper charts? as a place mat maybe.

A mono hull? ya gotta be kidding. old news. cats are all that counts anymore.

A windvane? are you serious?! with modern wind aware below deck autopilots connected to the nmea networked chartplotter why even throw away the money on such an antique?

A boat of any kind under 40 feet? only lunatics would make any passage over 50 miles from shore or 10 hours on such a dangerous vessel

Catching rain is so 1970. do you use a tye dye tarp for that? time to get with the water making program. nice water jugs strapped to your stays and shrouds. looks quaint.

rice and beans? no. refrigeration yes.

It all flows the way of the loran and the sextant.

Yeah, I'm being a bit of a smart a$$.

Yeah I hear you...

BTW, how is that 10' surfboard working out?

[Uncle Bob]

Originally Posted by sailormed

Shouldn't this be in the thread "Grumpy old man...."?

Nah, just a dickhead with a 10 ft surfboard! Probably not old enough to qualify for that.

[Kenomac]

The ultimate troll post.

Awesome.

[StuM]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

The ultimate troll post.

Awesome.

He forgot to mention guns

[RaymondR]

Yeah, and what about climate change?

[Dulcesuenos]

Agree with him on the ssb. So many easier / cheaper ways now that don't require you to sit there making noise at 2 am.

[valhalla360]

Total troll post and 98% true.

[sailorboy1]

Originally Posted by nematon785

Just thought I'd whack the hornets nest with a broom here.

Full keels are not dying out, they are dead. broaching in big waves, nd swamped cockpits, so heavy you need a turbo on the big diesel, bow sprits closing on 10 feet long, and the lee way OMG, trying to park or drive in reverse don't even bother

SSB installation at $6000 plus ya gotta have the whatever mail program and a computer to decipher morse code into weather maps, complexity, confusion, waiting to connect to the source, sunspots, and huge power consumption. A satellite solution is so quick, simple, easy, and cheaper.

Luke anchors that are effective are so heavy a literal crane aboard is needed to drag it out of the bilge, mantis or rocna on a chain is the latest thang.

Hard dinghy with oars? Cmon! no body uses this ancient stuff anymore. 30+ horsepower and a RIB gets us there in style well dressed not blown out to sea, capsized, sunk or paddling around against the current for hours.

tan barked canvas sails, tarred hemp lines, blocks a plenty to increase purchase vs a big ol electric winch and full battened laminate wings. guess who gets to port quicker, and who weathers the storm from plodding along at snail pace?

Paper charts? as a place mat maybe.

A mono hull? ya gotta be kidding. old news. cats are all that counts anymore.

A windvane? are you serious?! with modern wind aware below deck autopilots connected to the nmea networked chartplotter why even throw away the money on such an antique?

A boat of any kind under 40 feet? only lunatics would make any passage over 50 miles from shore or 10 hours on such a dangerous vessel

Catching rain is so 1970. do you use a tye dye tarp for that? time to get with the water making program. nice water jugs strapped to your stays and shrouds. looks quaint.

rice and beans? no. refrigeration yes.

It all flows the way of the loran and the sextant.

Yeah, I'm being a bit of a smart a$$.

You got it except

- paper charts are still around and selling
-monohulls are very much alive and well out in the cruising world

[zeehag]

hahahahahahahahaha
i woudnot change my full keel monohull for any thing you felt like sitting in front of me except a formosa 51. that i would take. err trade for. oh they are also full keel heavy cruisers.
trolls are excellent baked after parboiling.

[Valmika]

Originally Posted by zeehag

hahahahahahahahaha
i woudnot change my full keel monohull for any thing you felt like sitting in front of me except a formosa 51. that i would take. err trade for. oh they are also full keel heavy cruisers.
trolls are excellent baked after parboiling.

Good Morning Zee. There is some crazy guy trying to get 40K for a Formosa 51 partnership down in Costa Rica or something. He has been advertising on LA CL for years. Calling it the Captain Ron Boat. he wants to bring it up to LA for Charter. He wanted to buy some 3/8 BBB from me once and spent about 30 minutes trying to convince me to take him and the chain to Costa Rica on my boat for a couple hundred dollars. I bet you could make him an offer and pick it up cheap. Just checked, yep he is still there

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...111928242.html

[fatherchronica]

I noticed that when we bashed back to California every single fin keel or catamaran we encountered was being professionally delivered and every full keel boat we met was being sailed home by it's owners. Not saying no one wanted to beat themselves up pounding to windward in their own fin keel boat, we just did not find them. The two boats previous to our Cape George were a 36' Bill Lee design and a Santana 525. Really fun to sail, but I would not dream of a 1000 mile beat to windward against the current in one. I suspect that in Aspen, at about 8,000 ft above the sea, that most of the year you would need to keep your elephants indoors. We have and use a sextant, just because we like math pretty much though.

[Sailshabby]

<<Yeah, I'm being a bit of a smart a$$>

Don't sell yourself short, Nemo....

[ArmyDaveNY]

Originally Posted by fatherchronica

We have and use a sextant, just because we like math pretty much though.

There are three kinds of people in this world; those who are good with math and those who aren't!