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Old 14-06-2019, 15:00   #16
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Re: Windlass does not pull rope

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I have Pictures now. I could not find any markings to let me know what size rope I need.

So when I operated the Windlass to pull the anchor, the Windlass over heated and tripped the circuit breaker. Not sure if the anchor chain is too long and too heavy for the boat. I have not measured it yet but it seams a lot longer than the length of the boat.

What is the rule of thump for the length of the chain? should it be at least as long as the boat?






The chain and the rope must be properly sized for the windlass and for the gypsy.

That Lofrans Dorado windlass may have one of three different gypsy parts. All three gypsy parts accept " line, but the chain must be correct for the gypsy.

Here is the web page w/ the manual link,

Page 26 shows the chain sizes that will work with each gypsy.

It looks like the line diameter is too large and the chain links are too small.

The gypsy looks broken!

Page 22 has troubleshooting.

A good starting point is to perform the listed maintenance. Check that all the electrical connections are clean and solid.

When I purchased my boat I had an all-chain rode, 200' of chain, with zero issue using the Lofrans windlass. I have since changed to rope / chain. A good setup is 20' of chain and 150' to 200' of rope.
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Re: Windlass does not pull rope

Thanks for the replies and the great sources posted, When I operate the Windlass, if the anchor is set I make sure to move forwards slowly to take out any of the tension. But the problem I have is after the anchor (Bruce type, please see picture) is loose and off the bottom. The chain and anchor are too heavy. The rope slips when the windlass is operated, not sure if I'm working the windlass correctly, I press down on the rope with the leaver, maybe I'm putting too much pressure on the Windlass with my foot. Again I'm new to this and may be operating the windlass wrong. Please see the picture I posted earlier of how the leaver is on the windlass.
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Re: Windlass does not pull rope

Has the previously-linked owner's manual been examined?

The manual specifies that the 500W Dorado will lift 1,386 lbs and the 700W will lift 1,980 lbs. Either will lift that rode. That rode is not tool heavy. If the windlass is overloaded then the motor will stall (stop). Is the motor stalling?

As was stated, the rope is too fat for the gypsy. The gypsy only works w/ " rope. How is the performance / operation when " rope is used?

The gypsy looks broken. The two link halves are offset. Those ellipse-shaped cavity halves should be aligned.

The lever is pressed down with a spring. That lever / spring keeps the chain or rope in the gypsy, to not pop out. If that spring is broken then it should be replaced. The lever does not provide massive force, just to keep the rode in-position.
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Has the previously-linked owner's manual been examined?

The manual specifies that the 500W Dorado will lift 1,386 lbs and the 700W will lift 1,980 lbs. Either will lift that rode. That rode is not tool heavy. If the windlass is overloaded then the motor will stall (stop). Is the motor stalling?

As was stated, the rope is too fat for the gypsy. The gypsy only works w/ " rope. How is the performance / operation when " rope is used?

The gypsy looks broken. The two link halves are offset. Those ellipse-shaped cavity halves should be aligned.

The lever is pressed down with a spring. That lever / spring keeps the chain or rope in the gypsy, to not pop out. If that spring is broken then it should be replaced. The lever does not provide massive force, just to keep the rode in-position.



Yes I have and downloaded it. Thank you very much.


I will purchase a 1/2 " rope and us it, but my question is What will keep the rope from slipping? Also from your response, i take it that when the windlass is operated it should be hands off ( no foot pedal) pressure applied? if that is the case, I may have a broken spring for that lever. because it has no tension on it in any way, I actually flipped that over and used it to put pressure on the rope to get it to stop slipping.



Maybe that's why the windlass over heated and the circuit breaker tripped.
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Re: Windlass does not pull rope

The windlass should not overheat and should not trip the breaker.

It may be that the wire size is too small for the round trip wire length. A more likely issue is that the connections were either poorly done, deteriorated or both.

Using a voltage meter, measure the voltage at the windlass motor terminals during operation and compare that to the battery voltage. They should match within 1VDC.

If the voltage difference exceeds that threshold, then that poor supply could cause overheating.

Has the windlass been serviced per the Owner's Manual? It may be that corrosion or dried grease is causing excessive rotational resistance.

That part is not a "foot pedal". It is a "finger" that guides the chain and the rope into the capstan.

That light-duty spring should maintain a constant force, always pushing the finger into the capstan. Get or make a replacement spring if broken, item number 238.
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What is the difference between the Capstan and a Gypsy? are they interchangeable meaning the same thing?
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Burkan:

Wingless has gone a long way towards putting you right.

Here's a couple of other things. If you are already aware of them, just remember that you can't say a good thing to often ;-)! Someone else mentioned that the two plates of your gypsy appear to be misaligned. A chain gypsy works somewhat like a chain and sprocket "inside out". One link of the chain lies flat into the "wide part" of the gypsy and the next link "stands on edge" in the "narrow part" of the gypsy. It is therefore crucially important that the length of link matches the dimensions of the gypsy. And that the plates are correctly aligned. If a PO bought new chain, willy-nilly, from, say, an autoparts dealer like, say, NAPA, you may not have the required match.

When the match is right, having the chain travel around 90 of the gypsy's circumference is normally enuff, and it appears that your chain does that and then drops straight down the spurling pipe, so there should be no problems there. As Wingless sez, the "lever" is not a pedal. It is a "follower" that by virtue of quite a light springload guides the chain to lie correctly in the gypsy, so if you "stood" on it you may well have imparted enuff friction against the rotation of the gypsy that the breaker popped.

Now the tricky bit :-) IMHE this particular windlass will NOT work on rope. The gypsy, while maybe intended by Lofran to function analogously to the "clam plates" on a "self tailing" sheet winch, cannot do so for the following reason: Observe carefully how we use a sheet winch. You will see that we take THREE FULL TURNS of the rope around a plain drum. The friction of the THREE TURNS is what does the work, so there is HARDLY ANY tension on the part of the rope that goes into the clam plates. If you take only one turn on the drum of a sheet winch, the rope will pop out of the clam plates due to its residual tension where the plates are trying to grab it.

On your windlass there is no drum, and even with the "serrations" of the gypsy, you have only a QUARTER OF A TURN rather than THREE FULL TURNS, i.e. you have only ONE TWELFTH of the "grabbing power" of a similar diameter sheet winch. So in that respect your windlass is pretty useless. Don't take it too hard - we've all seen the movie ;-)! Your windlass will work just fine if you use ALL CHAIN, but who would do that in a 26-foot sports fisherman? Somewhere - before you bought the boat - someone made a bad choice. But given the costs of windlasses, if I were you, I'd just live with it.

The sensible answer is to do what I do: Let Mr. Armstrong do the work :-)

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No. A capstan has a plain drum revolving around a VERTICAL axis. Below the drum is a gypsy, a set of plates like the ones on your windlass that are designed to handle chain. Rope has to be handled on a plain drum.

A windlass has a plain drum one end and a gypsy the other end of a HORIZONTAL shaft. So what you have, is correctly termed a windlass. Except that yours is incomplete in that it doesn't have a drum.

So as you see a "gypsy" is a constituent part of both windlasses and capstans. These machines are used for different jobs aboard "grown-up" ships. In the sailing ships of yore the capstan was the machine of choice for handling "ground tackle", i.e. anchoring gear. In modern day motorships, such as fishing vessels, the windlass is used just as often for that purpose.

But as I said before - some things "don't scale" :-)

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What is the difference between the Capstan and a Gypsy? are they interchangeable meaning the same thing?
No, my error, your windlass does not have the capstan that exists in other models, like in the Kobra model of the previously-linked manual, yours only has the chain / rope gypsy.

All instances where I referenced capstan should have instead referenced gypsy.
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