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zboss · 19-10-2014, 16:16

Hi,

I recently saw a racing boat with what I think are called in-hauls for the genoa in order to improve sheeting angle when close hauled. They used a second genoa track with a second sheet on the cabin top.

My boat can only sheet in as far as the outside of our first stay... do you think a heavy displacement vessel such as my CR would benefit from such an arrangement?

Thanks,
z

Cheechako · 19-10-2014, 16:42

Possibly. I call them barber haulers... and used a big snatch block for that purpose led aft or just a 4 part vang style arrangement works very well if you don't mind going forward at times.
Keep in mind that pointing up isnt all about the sails though... some hulls/keel do it better. On a heavy cruiser I tend to crack off a bit for power and speed. I gradually pull the jib in to increase speed but not so far that the main isn't driving hard and well full.
the clew of the headsail in a few inches can make a big difference though at times...

**roverhi** · 19-10-2014, 22:03

Probably not on that boat. Just doesn't have an efficient enough keel to sail that close to the wind. You can make a temporary setup as Cheechako described and experiment with it to see if a narrower sheeting angle would be of benefit.

S/V Alchemy · 20-10-2014, 11:22

I agree that the standard name is "barber hauler", and I also agree that I have rarely seen them mentioned since the old IOR days with boats sporting huge genoas on vast J measurements. Their purpose and best use is covered off in the old Wally Ross book "Sail Power".

Cheechako · 20-10-2014, 11:31

a 4 part "soft vang" type tackle is very useful on a boat in various ways. Maybe you can get one and try it out on the headsail. The blocks are expensive now days, same as mainsheet setup on some boats or vangs, but a Nautical swapmeet, with older style blocks you might find a setup reasonable...
something like this with a snap shackle built into the end of each block. probably 1/2" line for general use. Smaller would work for a barber hauler only.

lifeofreilly57 · 20-10-2014, 13:11

Not sure how well that would work on a CR38 but if you could borrow a block or two to experiment with it's always worth a try, as was mentioned earlier the hull design also has a huge effect on pointing ability.
I've had boats with the second inboard track but they were fin keel/spade rudder boats.
On one boat I used a temporary block placed inboard to get tighter sheeting angles for upwind use, but again that was a fin keel boat.
Are there any CR owners sites that might have more specific insights?

Cheechako · 20-10-2014, 16:21

I used the barber hauler a lot of the HC38, as well as my Perry designed 47 and Tanton 44. The HC38 is a full keel and most anything can out point that one! Like I said, even a few , maybe 6" helps a bit on long keel boats...

zboss · 20-10-2014, 18:42

The CR's came equipped standard with soft vangs, so we have had a chance to play with that.

I was primarily interested in sheeting in at a higher angle than I can being that my cutter mast is a little more forward than on a sloop and we have four stays on each side. This means that the main really can't go out far on a run and the genoa sheeting angle is pretty limited on a close reach because of the forward most stays.

I'm trying to make up a sail config cheat sheet and during my research I came across that video.

Cheechako · 21-10-2014, 08:59

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Originally Posted by zboss

The CR's came equipped standard with soft vangs, so we have had a chance to play with that.

I was primarily interested in sheeting in at a higher angle than I can being that my cutter mast is a little more forward than on a sloop and we have four stays on each side. This means that the main really can't go out far on a run and the genoa sheeting angle is pretty limited on a close reach because of the forward most stays.

I'm trying to make up a sail config cheat sheet and during my research I came across that video.

Most cutter rigs are designed with the mast a bit further aft...? you sure?