Yet another tragic loss?

[RidgeRunner]

Pressure Drop - 2 Dead, 2 Missing and 2 Rescued in Rimini Boating Accident


excerpt from google translate: "...some reports speak of the overturned boat already half a mile outside the harbor; This would assume the loss of the keel..."

Rimini: barca a vela contro gli scogli, morti e dispersi | www.pressmare.it

[donradcliffe]

Bad title--many sailboat keels will not survive being battered on the rocks in a gale.

[boatman61]

I think its shaped as a question.. the impression given is the boat capsized I/2 mile out.. then other possibilities enter the translation of the report.

[CarlF]

Originally Posted by donradcliffe

Bad title--many sailboat keels will not survive being battered on the rocks in a gale.

Perhaps. But given the risk to crew safety of losing a keel, keels should survive the battering for a very long time. Certainly longer than the hull - which looks in pretty good shape.

[psk125]

Posting on SA says engine seems to have died while entering harbor and boat got dropped onto /banged into into the jetty etc. Crew seem to have been well-experienced (one RTW?) sailors in their 60's.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by RidgeRunner

Pressure Drop - 2 Dead, 2 Missing and 2 Rescued in Rimini Boating Accident


excerpt from google translate: "...some reports speak of the overturned boat already half a mile outside the harbor; This would assume the loss of the keel..."

Rimini: barca a vela contro gli scogli, morti e dispersi | www.pressmare.it

No, it does not assume loss of keel. I have read (in Italian) the description of the accident some days ago:
http://www.giornaledellavela.com/new...i-la-dinamica/

They went out of port when a storm was coming than (when the storm hit them) decided to turn back sailing without sails, the engine went off when they were entering the port, they tried to raise a sail but it was too late and the boat was thrown to the rocks and low waters where after repeated and violent pounding the boat lost the keel and was thrown up to the top of the breakwater (inverted) by the waves.

[Gung Ho]

Most unfortunate. No time to put on the handbrake? i.e. drop an anchor or two?

[Huskybeer]

Experienced?! Than they knew they would have been better off riding out the storm far from shore with all the available techniques.
Something does not fit with their departure and low tide

[donradcliffe]

They left a safe harbor to go into a storm, because the forecast was for the weather to improve in a few hours. This violates of the rules I learned the hard way, fortunately without losing the boat or any lives.

[barnakiel]

The info in the Italian material does not give any support to the hypothesis of keel failure as the cause of the dramatic events.

No keel on a boat 'beached' on the rocks may as well suggest the keel was lost on impact. This is not Bavaria specific even if it is boat-design specific. Some keels are designed to allow for some amount of impact, other designs assume less or no impact.

Too bad there are casualties. The conditions look very bad. It would be (?) unusual for the wind and sea state to get that big without an indication in the forecast (?). I believe the material says there was a warning in weather news.

Very sad the news.

b.

[CarlF]

Since people often die when keels fall off, keels/hull joints should be engineered to take a lot of abuse.

That hull does not seem to show enough damage to justify the loss of the keel. Perhaps there were maintenance problems or previous damage as with Cheeki Rafiki. If not, I'm glad I don't own a Bavaria.


C.

[250224]

Originally Posted by CarlF

That hull does not seem to show enough damage to justify the loss of the keel. Perhaps there were maintenance problems or previous damage as with Cheeki Rafiki. If not, I'm glad I don't own a Bavaria.C.

AGAIN. This accident has nothing to do with keel failure. It's a completely inappropriate and misleading title (which should be edited IMHO).

[newhaul]

Another keel lost sqd the loss of life
Glad I sail full keel boats (encapsulated ballast lead)

[CarlF]

I disagree. The title doesn't say the keel failure caused the accident. There was a Bavaria keel failure. It was tragic in that people died. The title is accurate.

While the keel failure may or may not have caused the initial problem, the subsequent loss of the keel may have made things worse and contributed to the deaths. I expect this will be a topic for investigators and perhaps a court.

Losing a keel is among the most catastrophic failures that can happen to a boat because the crew has no time to react before the boat turns over. The crew of the Cheeki Rafiki had no time to launch their life raft. Boat manufactures have a responsibility to engineer keel attachments so they are among the last parts of the boat to fail.

[K_V_B]

When you run your car in to a wall and the front fender gets torn off, do you call it a "fender failure"?