S2 9.2 Center Cockpit

[Jarel Design]

Hi,
I tried posting before about this but I think the title of my thread/post, may have read more like it should have been in the "wanted" section of the boat classifieds here. This is a different request:

My wife and I have decided on our next boat, being an S2 9.2 Center Cockpit. We've researched this boat for months TONS of photos collected, searched ads across the country and know quite a bit about her... (learned a lot about her construction, quirks, failure/weak points, performance (or lack there of), age issues, aluminum tank failures, engine options during the production run), read several old boat reviews, history of the production line etc, enough so that we're pretty certain this is going to be our next boat.

The only thing that's missing at this point (ironically), is that we've never been on one! (This won't be our first boat by any means, nor our largest...) We just got back from a one month cruise through the San Juan and Canadian gulf islands on our C26.) Yes, it's a trailer boat, but we're located in southern Oregon, 250 miles from the nearest coast and the only way to get up that area and/or sea of Cortez is by trailer. We've decided to rent out the house and "take off" for a much more extended period of time... Mostly coastal cruising, the ICW, Keys, Bahamas etc... so we're not looking for a blue water boat nor a "racer"... Our main attraction to this boat is it's smaller size (30') and the interior layout.

We're hoping that someone here owns a S2 9.2 Center Cockpit (We're not interested in the "A" version/rear cockpit), between Portland and San Fransisco (?), that would be willing to give us a tour of their boat. (We're serious enough that we're willing to drive a distance, just to see one in person!)

We'd appreciate any help with this.
Thanks.
Richard & Tresa

[oregonian]

Hello Jarel, There is an S-2, 9.2 Center cockpit model sitting on a trailer in Portland, Oregon, on Hayden Island, at Passion Yacht sales. Ask for Marge. Good Luck.

[Jarel Design]

Oregonian,
THANK YOU!!!!!
Just called. Marge was out in the yard but I spoke with another employee who confirmed that they had one there in their inventory.

Tresa and I are planning to drive up there tomorrow!

Ironically, this is the same company we almost bought our C26 from! Gave them a deposit based on the owner showing up with some vital gear. I flew up and he never showed up so we had to back out on the deal. The sales rep totally understood.

Wish us luck!
We'll report back on Sunday or Monday.

Thank you SO MUCH again! (Our tails are wagging like excited puppies!)

Best,
Richard & Tresa

[Jarel Design]

Well, I spoke with Marge (after checking out their website and listing for the S2.

Unfortunately, it was NOT and S2 9.2 Center Cockpit... Had me fooled and puzzled as I was looking at the photos for their listing... It sure looked like it to me although there were a few differences that I couldn't make heads or tails from.
Turned out to be an S2 26' center cockpit that had been highly modified (Incredible workmanship by the man who did the work! Looked "stock"...)

Marge explained the details and that it wasn't the boat we are searching for...



So.... We're still searching...

So Close too!

Thank you again for sending me to her at Passion Yachts... Turns out that was where we almost bought our C26 from!

Best,
Richard & Tresa

and again,
If anyone knows were an S2 9.2 Center Cockpit might be located, we're ready to travel to see her... Tresa and I were ready to leave tomorrow morning.

Attaching a few photos of this boat if you're unfamiliar with it.

[Wallaby]

You might also look at the Sovereign 28 (aka Sovereign 30). It was made from the S2 by adding 2 feet to the mold. I finished one from bare hull about 25 years ago. 8'4" beam, 3'4" draft, 6800 lbs, 6' headroom in main cabin, 20 HP yanmar 2gm20 and fairly trailable. It has the same center cockpit etc as the S2/same layout inside. Before I bought the bare hull, I saw one in Florida. It had been in the Bahamas, so some light offshore sailing. I'd look for a freshwater boat

[carlheintz]

Torreson Marine, in Muskegeon Michigan has one for sale. I've seen the exterior, not the interior.... here's a link

Torresen Marine, Inc. - The Sailboat Specialists (Muskegon, MI)

They are nice boats. Have a friend who has one, and they love it. Not a racer, but hey, where can you find such a comfortable, well built boat for the price?

[mscurtis]

My wife and I have that vessel. It is at a moorage in Portland. We would be glad to show it to you, saying this without talking to the Skipper... the boat is well overdue for it's spring cleaning, embarrassingly so. We've spent the year focused on major health issues but I still suspect the Skipper will insist on a minimal cleanup. Contact me at mscurtis@gmail.com.

[rescueguy]

Hey there, Brian here, My sweetie and I have a Nor Sea 27 on a trailer, 3 Axel we have sailed her extensively in the san jeans and golf islands up thru desolation sound and beyond. This boat has been to the sea of cortex for a few months and she is for sale. We are in Corvallis Oregon if you may have interest. This boat is ready today to head out wherever you may like once you provision her. She needs nothing but your stores. Brian 5417605957

[Jarel Design]

Thank you to all who have replied!

We've researched a lot of boats and are really set on the S2 9.2 C Checked the Sovereign 28 (Wasn't familiar with that one although we've heard of it), knew the Norsea and several others that might have been contenders for our next boat, but we keep coming back to the S2 as being the "perfect boat for us", our cruising style and needs/wants etc...

I listed a few of the reasons we're "hooked" on this particular boat... Primary being creature comforts in a smaller, 30' boat. (Even I laugh at being intrigued with the "bathtub" shower, but it sure got our attention... And the aft cabin berth is calling our name (Can't imagine it being any more uncomfortable that our current V-Berth and hopefully will feel "spacious" to "us".

mscurtis: Just sent you an email... Thank you!

Best to all,
Richard & Tresa

[Cheechako]

Sounds like a good plan. If you really want to do the keys, ICW, Bahamas (which I highly advise you do!) Consider buying one on the east coast. I have done the Sea of Cortez and Mexico and the Caribe. My favorite in all of it is probably the Bahamas.. unlimited places to go without major ocean crossing etc. White sand, shallow water.
Good luck!
You've probably noticed this one: $14k with Yanmar diesel and trailer! (east coast)http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1979...s#.WbRBUrKGPIU
Another one in Annapolis: I'd take the QM Yanmar over the GM though: http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/67083

[Jarel Design]

Hi Cheechako,

Yes, we did see that boat.. Contacted the broker with questions... so much wrong with her including an incredible amount of water damage near the anchor locker and along the cabin sole... no idea how many hours on the engine, etc... Was actually shocked that this boat could fit on a trailer! We were thinking we'd have to find on on the east coast and maybe take our C26 down to sea of Cortez for one last trip there before starting out new S2 adventure...

The idea of a trailer is SO inviting!!! I'd love to buy an S2, put her on a trailer and move it to where our current boat is along side my shop and studio, to be able to have access to all my tools to refit/upgrade and then take her over to the east coast... (We'll be ready to start our new long term adventure in 2.5 years when Tresa retires from the school district with full benefits.)

Thinking of re-contacting the broker for the boat you linked to let the seller know that we'd be willing to buy the trailer only, allowing the seller to offer the boat without a trailer for less... There's LOTS wrong with her... Being in the great lakes, I thought it was a fresh water boat. It's been in salt I a noticed a bit of corrosion in some of the engine room photos.

I'll re-post after we get a chance to experience being on this boat first hand.

Thanks again!

[Cadence]

Originally Posted by Jarel Design

Hi,
I tried posting before about this but I think the title of my thread/post, may have read more like it should have been in the "wanted" section of the boat classifieds here. This is a different request:

My wife and I have decided on our next boat, being an S2 9.2 Center Cockpit. We've researched this boat for months TONS of photos collected, searched ads across the country and know quite a bit about her... (learned a lot about her construction, quirks, failure/weak points, performance (or lack there of), age issues, aluminum tank failures, engine options during the production run), read several old boat reviews, history of the production line etc, enough so that we're pretty certain this is going to be our next boat.

The only thing that's missing at this point (ironically), is that we've never been on one! (This won't be our first boat by any means, nor our largest...) We just got back from a one month cruise through the San Juan and Canadian gulf islands on our C26.) Yes, it's a trailer boat, but we're located in southern Oregon, 250 miles from the nearest coast and the only way to get up that area and/or sea of Cortez is by trailer. We've decided to rent out the house and "take off" for a much more extended period of time... Mostly coastal cruising, the ICW, Keys, Bahamas etc... so we're not looking for a blue water boat nor a "racer"... Our main attraction to this boat is it's smaller size (30') and the interior layout.

We're hoping that someone here owns a S2 9.2 Center Cockpit (We're not interested in the "A" version/rear cockpit), between Portland and San Fransisco (?), that would be willing to give us a tour of their boat. (We're serious enough that we're willing to drive a distance, just to see one in person!)

We'd appreciate any help with this.
Thanks.
Richard & Tresa

For what it may be worth or not. I got a listing from Pop Yachts on one of them.

[Cheechako]

I wonder if the water damage is cosmetic or...? Leaks from rain? vs partially sunk would be the big question I guess.
Of course a boat that size would need a major towing vehicle etc. So while attractive, really if doing the keys/Bahamas etc... is a tow vehicle and trailer worth the trouble...? Storage etc.
Have you had the Chrysler to the Sea of Cortez before?

[Cheechako]

There seem to be several on the eastern seaboard from NY, Chesapeake and on south. SOunds like a fun trip!

[Jarel Design]

Thanks to all!

In no particular order of replying to posts:

mscurtis: I sent you an email to the link you provided (not sure if you received it),and PM'd you here. We'd LOVE to take you up on your offer to show us your boat! Let us know when you have time! you can email me at: richard@jareldesign.com

We've sailed the Sea of Cortez, but not in the Chrysler... Also, been taking a small aluminum boat down there (all the way to Cabo), on a trailer, fishing along the coast and to some of the closer islands since 1973 (Several times a year), when I lived in Los Angeles. FANTASTIC cruising grounds! Would love to do more, splashing out of San Carlos. Had a trip planned with lift and slip reserved, but health issues interrupted that trip.

Trailer: The REAL reason I'd like a trailer is to move the boat from wherever we find one, to park it next to my shop here in Oregon so I can do a major refit/modifications while having total access to my tools and machinery. Considering that the S2 9.2 C has a 10'+ beam, I don't want to tow her... Probably hire someone to move her here and the back to the east coast to start our ICW/Bahamas trip. We have dear friends in Tampa (God! I hope their safe!), that are willing to store the trailer and/or boat on their property if we have need.

I'm VERY curious about the differences between the Yanmar GM and QM engines! Diesels are new to me and although I've also been doing research on the engines that came with this boat (including the Volvo, which I've repeatedly heard to stay away from), I'm still learning. One of the things we'd "like", is fresh water cooling (heat exchange), for the purpose of heating up water for showers. Not a requirement, as I've already created some design sketches for building a solar water heater on top of the aft cabin. Also curious about the HP for this boat... I've heard that the 13HP is not enough, the 15HP: adequate and the 18HP or 22HP much better.

Yes, it seems that more of these boats for sale are located along the east coast & great lakes... Which is also why I'd love a trailer to move here to work on at my leisure. Our plans include waiting for Tresa to retire from the school district which will happen in 2.5 years. We're not ready to buy right now... Been searching the listings now to see what's out there, prices, how are they equipped etc... (serious "window shopping"?)

Regarding the water damage on the one for sale in Michigan: Considering that the seller nor the broker can tell me why it leaked or why the water damage is there, I couldn't justify flying out there to inspect what I already considered serious suspect evidence of an issue I don't want to deal with... I know these boats have balsa cored decks and if water made it through the cabin, I'm sure there has been deck damage... Even paying for a surveyor to go inspect the boat without me there just didn't make financial sense... If the photos didn't show the water damage, I'd be more interested in that boat. I will however, contact the broker to see if the seller would sell me the trailer, providing a way for them to offer their boat for less (I've been watching this listing for a while and have seen 2 price reductions), and hoping that a buyer might not want the trailer... (You get 100% of what you don't ask for! LOL! (You never know!)

ANY information on differences between the Yanmar engines would be appreciated... Just starting to learn that some parts are no longer available, like the exhaust manifold for one (but I don't remember which one. I'm prepared to do a complete rebuild and feel pretty confident with my skills (I've rebuilt auto engines before)...

OK... I guess that's it (or all I can think of at the moment)... Would love to hear more from owners of this particular boat!

Thanks again,
Richard