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Old 18-01-2020, 01:40   #61
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Suggesting we don't need such a thing is bonkers.
Didn't see anyone say we don't need them or shouldn't use them, it's the your Govco confiscating boat suggestion that turns peoples stomachs, i certainly don't want to see ***** like on the agenda..........and i love AIS, work and play....
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Didn't see anyone say we don't need them or shouldn't use them, it's the your Govco confiscating boat suggestion that turns peoples stomachs, i certainly don't want to see ***** like on the agenda..........and i love AIS, work and play....
Mandatory AIS is progressing, I believe, as more and more commercial operators are required to have & use that.

But what about lights? I think using lights at night shouldn't be voluntary (as it isn't). And breaking the rules should obviously come with some negative reward for doing so, otherwise the system of rules becomes invalidated.
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When the Pardeys were crossing oceans, there were a lot fewer boats out there and the overwhelming majority of them knew what they were doing. Nowadays many areas are full of idiots.

Also, somewhat pointless referring back to a time before AIS existed. It's a recent development, cheap, and a dramatic contributor to safety at sea. Suggesting we don't need such a thing is bonkers.
Yes thatís very true. There are plenty of idiots out there and Iím sure weíve all come across our fair share of face palming morons.

I stand by AIS not being an ďessentialĒ item tho and over reliance on technology being dangerous (rather than keeping a good visual watch as well)... how many whales, containers and other floating detrius donít show up on AIS, along with numerous fishing vessels?

The fishing boat in question had radar, 10 crew and AIS, and still managed to hit a pretty large sailboat in mid-ocean. Had there been a visual watch, the situation would likely have been avoided.

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Mandatory AIS is progressing, I believe, as more and more commercial operators are required to have & use that.

But what about lights? I think using lights at night shouldn't be voluntary (as it isn't). And breaking the rules should obviously come with some negative reward for doing so, otherwise the system of rules becomes invalidated.
I'm well aware of the commercial requirements having used Class A on the ships i work on since its inception, i've also had a Class B on my own boats ever since they became available and agree with there use whole heartedly.....but confiscating someones boat because they don't have one or don't have it running? nah, thats some seriously draconian horsepoo.......

I agree with your thoughts on the lights, i'm definitely more concerned with the use of lights than AIS, I would much rather detect someone visually before staring into a plotter looking for an icon, there's really no reason these days for vessels operating under 1st world conditions not to have working lights.....
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When the Pardeys were crossing oceans, there were a lot fewer boats out there and the overwhelming majority of them knew what they were doing. Nowadays many areas are full of idiots.



Also, somewhat pointless referring back to a time before AIS existed. It's a recent development, cheap, and a dramatic contributor to safety at sea. Suggesting we don't need such a thing is bonkers.


I have no problem with you owning and using an AIS if thatís what makes you feel comfortable. But in my experience the idiots you talk about are the ones that canít get by without all their electronics.
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