Lucia 40: Anchor and Windlass

[Cotemar]

Lucia 40 Owners,

If your in the process of ordering a FP Lucia 40, you may want to remove the standard FP Delta anchor package.

Have your dealer go through Uchimata Sailing Service where all FP boats get splashed in La Rochelle, France.

Uchimata recommends the largest size Mantus Anchor for FP Lucia 40 is 30 KG (65lbs).
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[Escape Plan]

Originally Posted by Cotemar

Lucia 40 Owners,

If your in the process of ordering a FP Lucia 40, you may want to remove the standard FP Delta anchor package.

Have your dealer go through Uchimata Sailing Service where all FP boats get splashed in La Rochelle, France.

Uchimata recommends the largest size Mantus Anchor for FP Lucia 40 is 30 KG (65lbs).
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We stuck the Rocna 33 (73 lbs) on ours. No problems with it so far.

[Cotemar]

Originally Posted by SaltyDogsLLC

We stuck the Rocna 33 (73 lbs) on ours. No problems with it so far.

Can you post a few pictures of the anchor from the outside and inside the locker here so others can see how the Rocna 33 (73 lbs) fits a FP Lucia 40.

We used a Rocna 33 (73 lbs) on a FP Helia 44.

[Escape Plan]

Will do. I'll be with boat at month's end.

[PapaLulu]

Originally Posted by Cotemar

Lucia 40 Owners,



If your in the process of ordering a FP Lucia 40, you may want to remove the standard FP Delta anchor package.



Have your dealer go through Uchimata Sailing Service where all FP boats get splashed in La Rochelle, France.



Uchimata recommends the largest size Mantus Anchor for FP Lucia 40 is 30 KG (65lbs).

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What's the largest Mantus that will fit on a Helia?

[Cotemar]

Originally Posted by PapaLulu

What's the largest Mantus that will fit on a Helia?

The FP Helia 44 will fit a Mantus 85, Which is actually a 75 Lbs anchor.
Not sure why they are 10 Lbs under weight.

The Mantus has a 32 Lbs tip weight, which is why they dig into hard sand and grass so well. The Rocna 75 LBS only has a 19 Lbs tip weight.

Other than the weight issue the Mantus is a good anchor.

Quality, fit and finish look good.
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[UNCIVILIZED]

That picture of the Rocna INSIDE of the Mantus clearly explains some holding differences between the two. And just to be clear, the two weigh the same, right?

[Cotemar]

Originally Posted by UNCIVILIZED

That picture of the Rocna INSIDE of the Mantus clearly explains some holding differences between the two. And just to be clear, the two weigh the same, right?

Yes, the Mantus and Rocna in those pictures both weight exactly the same 75 Lbs.

The Mantus sticker states 85 Lbs, but only weights 75 Lbs.
All the stated Mantus measurements are correct, except for the weight.

Will have to call them to see what's up with that.
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[UNCIVILIZED]

Thanks! Makes it easy to see why fitting a Mantus on many bow rollers is problematic.
BTW, is one (or more) of the bolts that hold that Mantus together a bit short? It looks as if one nut doesn't have any threads from the bolt protruding out of it at all, quite the opposite based on the pic.

[Cotemar]

Originally Posted by UNCIVILIZED

Thanks! Makes it easy to see why fitting a Mantus on many bow rollers is problematic.
BTW, is one (or more) of the bolts that hold that Mantus together a bit short? It looks as if one nut doesn't have any threads from the bolt protruding out of it at all, quite the opposite based on the pic.

No. All the Mantus bolts are exactly the same height
When the bolts are tightened, the thread does protrude out of the bolts properly.

[Escape Plan]

Originally Posted by Cotemar

Can you post a few pictures of the anchor from the outside and inside the locker here so others can see how the Rocna 33 (73 lbs) fits a FP Lucia 40.

We used a Rocna 33 (73 lbs) on a FP Helia 44.

Hey! Finally got settled here in the Abacos! Thanks for you patience. Here are two shots of the Rocna 33 anchor, which held wonderfully last night in 45 knot gust/thunderstorms.

[MKB53]

I have just become the latest victim of the Volvo MDI failure epedemic.

Half way through a windless passage it started playing up, motor surging etc.
Swapped motors and when I tried to start the Starboard again to anchor - no engine.

The way the Lucia is rigged the starboard motor also drives the excitor lead for the windlass controls so no Anchor winch either! Try freefall dropping and bedding an anchor in weedy ground on one engine!!
Luckily we were able to get a mooring bouy while I sorted it out.

I started the engine by shorting the terminals in the MDI but still no windlass. It seems the MDI now controls the excitor feed to the alternator as well so there was no power on that, hence no windlass.

In my view this is dumb, there is no fail safe "get me home" option. At least we can charge off the 2nd motor. I will be putting in an emergency bypass for teh alternator as well.

As far as the windlass goes the workaround is to provide power directly to the excitor lead. The easiest way to do this is to take a jumper off the main windlass positive supply and connect it to the Purple lead. All in the Windlass box in the forward locker. I put spade connectors in temporarily so I can easily switch it back.

Now I don't have to run an engine to let out a few meters of chain!

A trap for the unwary!
Cheers
Martin

[Cotemar]

Originally Posted by MKB53

I have just become the latest victim of the Volvo MDI failure epedemic.

Half way through a windless passage it started playing up, motor surging etc.
Swapped motors and when I tried to start the Starboard again to anchor - no engine.

The way the Lucia is rigged the starboard motor also drives the excitor lead for the windlass controls so no Anchor winch either! Try freefall dropping and bedding an anchor in weedy ground on one engine!!
Luckily we were able to get a mooring bouy while I sorted it out.

I started the engine by shorting the terminals in the MDI but still no windlass. It seems the MDI now controls the excitor feed to the alternator as well so there was no power on that, hence no windlass.

In my view this is dumb, there is no fail safe "get me home" option. At least we can charge off the 2nd motor. I will be putting in an emergency bypass for teh alternator as well.

As far as the windlass goes the workaround is to provide power directly to the excitor lead. The easiest way to do this is to take a jumper off the main windlass positive supply and connect it to the Purple lead. All in the Windlass box in the forward locker. I put spade connectors in temporarily so I can easily switch it back.

Now I don't have to run an engine to let out a few meters of chain!

A trap for the unwary!
Cheers
Martin

Martin
Can you post a few good pictures of your windless electrical workaround to provide power directly to the excitor lead in the windlass power box.

That will be very helpful to others.

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Important notes when using Remote emergency engine starting :
A – You have to keep checking that cooling water is flowing overboard as you have no alarms to tell you if the engine maybe running hot.
B – Your Helm remote TAC, RPM/ hours & start/stop will not work.
C – All start / stop engine functions will have to be performed at the engine
D – Your engine start battery will not be charging from your alternator
E – You will have to monitor your starting battery voltage and charge it as necessary by running the other engine and coupling the battery banks with the Port engine emergency start switch in the Stb. engine room.

Remote emergency engine starting.
1) Switch the engine battery switch OFF
2) Remove the MDI Black box from the left side of the engine
3) Wrap all the wires in a plastic bag except the red/yellow (Start) wire and the Red (Batt) wire.
4) Install a Dorman Starter Switch 85935 $5 to the red/yellow (Start) wire and the Red (Batt) wire.
5) Switch the engine battery switch ON
6) Momentarily push the starter button until the engine starts.
7) To SHUT OFF the engine, you will need to use the yellow mechanical STOP LEVER on the right side of the engine.
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[Steadman Uhlich]

COTEMAR,

Thanks for posting the good photos to illustrate the comparison.

I would like to know why the Mantus is named, or marketed as and labeled as 85 but weighs only 75. ??

[Cotemar]

Originally Posted by Steady Hand

COTEMAR,

Thanks for posting the good photos to illustrate the comparison.

I would like to know why the Mantus is named, or marketed as and labeled as 85 but weighs only 75. ??

That size Mantus Anchor was designed with a material density for Stainless Steel at 85 lbs, so when you make the same size anchor in galvanized steel it has a much different material density. This is why it is 10 lbs lighter.

Mantus Anchors knows about the issue and is working to resolve it or maybe just re-sticker the galvanized steel anchors to the correct weight 75 lbs weight.