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cat man do 25-07-2011 14:23

Re: How Sare Are Trawlers in Big Seas ?
 
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Originally Posted by lorenzo b (Post 737061)
Read all that fine print you sent us, it's not objective research, it's a sales pitch by someone selling boats.

It is research and evidence supporting what I say.
You on the other hand have produced nothing.

hummingway 25-07-2011 14:24

Re: How Safe Are Trawlers in Big Seas ?
 
Enough fighting. Take it outside you two.

Capt. lulz 25-07-2011 14:32

Re: How safe are trawlers in big seas?
 
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Originally Posted by lorenzo b (Post 736991)
Watch The Perfect Storm. The 100' trawler sank, the little sailboat washed up on the Jersey shore intact.

Are you suggesting that both scenarios are equal likely?

markpierce 25-07-2011 14:33

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Although my trawler is stronger and has a lower center of gravity than nearly every other trawler of its size, it is still a coastal cruiser/gunkholer because the saloon windows are too large and more likely to breakage even though they are "industrial" grade, its gunwales are high so that water from breaking waves could weigh down the boat, and its range of 1000 miles too short.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/attachm...g?t=1311629209

lorenzo b 25-07-2011 14:36

Re: How Safe Are Trawlers in Big Seas ?
 
My thoughts on crossing oceans in a multihull power cruiser;
without sails to help stabilize them in heavy sea they will roll, and you can not add active fins or paravanes to a multihull effectively. They require twin engines, which doubles your chances for problems, and require more fuel.They also do not have space for large fuel and water tanks.
A single hulled boat has much more space available and can be effectively stabilized.
You see power cats used mostly as ferries in coastal use because of their shallow draft and their exceptional stability in moderate seas, but rarely as ocean going vessels.

Blue Stocking 25-07-2011 14:57

Re: How Safe Are Trawlers in Big Seas ?
 
Mark,
I don't think I ever complimented you on a job well done :thumb:
Your comments are an important part of the "whole boat success" thing.
Knowing your vessels limits.
That said, I think I would feel more comfortable offshore with you and this boat, than I would with some.

Lee Jerry 25-07-2011 15:07

Re: How safe are trawlers in big seas?
 
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Originally Posted by cat man do (Post 737025)
More baiting?

Perhaps you can attempt to explain how a powered cat could capsize?
And then provide examples of one that actually happened?

Waves:
  • A breaking wave on the beam, regardless of intentional (poor course by skipper) or accidental (loss of power).
  • Broaching on a wave face.
Here's one and here's another, neither says how they ended up inverted though.

cat man do 25-07-2011 15:17

Re: How Safe Are Trawlers in Big Seas ?
 
Despite what Hummingaway said
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Originally Posted by hummingway (Post 737324)
Enough fighting. Take it outside you two.

I feel I need to address your comment

*Hummingway has no problem with anyone addressing anothers comments as long as attention is paid to civility

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Originally Posted by lorenzo b (Post 737331)
A word of caution to someone thinking of crossing oceans in a multihull power cruiser;
without sails to help stabilize them in heavy sea they will roll,

I have provide evidence done by independent testers that show a standard width multihull is far less likely to roll /capsize in a breaking beam sea than a monohull.
Sails, They will ADD to the chance of capsize in extreme conditions, not increase stability.
That is why in extreme conditions,both on mono and multi, most people reduce sail until none is up at all, NOT increase it.
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and you can not add active fins or paravanes to a multihull effectively.
Why would you need to?
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They require twin engines, which doubles your chances for problems,
Or gives you redundancy if you single engine has issues
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and require more fuel.
Multihulls generally have smaller engines and lighter weight on more efficient hullshapes.
Logically, they would use less or at least comparable amounts of fuel

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They also do not have space for large fuel and water tanks.
All depends on the boat
I can carry more fuel and water than a mates 50ft Palm Beach Monohull powerboat
I carry more fuel and water than a mates 44ft Bavaria
I cant carry as much fuel as an aircraft carrier
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A single hulled boat has much more space available
... depending on the boat
I have much more space available than my mates 50ft Palm Beach Monohull
I have much more space available than a mates 44ft Bavaria
I dont have as much space available as an aircraft carrier
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and can be effectively stabilized.
they need to be, they are inherently unstable
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You see power cats used mostly as ferries in coastal use because of their shallow draft and their exceptional stability in moderate seas, but rarely as ocean going vessels.
Except for the ones that are.

cat man do 25-07-2011 15:21

Re: How safe are trawlers in big seas?
 
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Originally Posted by Lee Jerry (Post 737354)
Waves:
Here's one and here's another, neither says how they ended up inverted though.

A 23 and a 26 ft , narrow beamed trailerable catamaran are hardly examples of ocean going cruisers anymore then a beach Hobie cat as an example of sailing multihulls as being easily capsized and unsuitable as cruising vessels.

lorenzo b 25-07-2011 15:23

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Mark
Nice boat. Wouldn't take much to make her ocean ready, some storm shutters, paravanes, larger scuppers, and cut down your rpm's. Beebe has some amazing graphs on rpm's and milage. Cut her down to 5 knts and you can double your range.

markpierce 25-07-2011 15:26

Re: How Safe Are Trawlers in Big Seas ?
 
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Originally Posted by Blue Stocking (Post 737347)
Mark,
I don't think I ever complimented you on a job well done :thumb:
Your comments are an important part of the "whole boat success" thing.
Knowing your vessels limits.
That said, I think I would feel more comfortable offshore with you and this boat, than I would with some.

Thanks, Blue!

Regardless, my boat did make a transpacific passage, with help:

http://www.cruisersforum.com/attachm...g?t=1311632533

:smiling:

sailr69 25-07-2011 15:35

Re: How Safe Are Trawlers in Big Seas ?
 
I know a Monk 40 sunk when a squall came through at clapperton island in the north channel about 4 years ago, charter vessel from Gore Bay. crew survived.

Bash 25-07-2011 15:35

Re: How Safe Are Trawlers in Big Seas ?
 
The original post specified a monohull trawler in the 40-45' range.

Is it safe, at least, to stipulate that very few built-as-yacht trawlers are going to have the range, ballast, or stabilizing systems necessary for transoceanic passages? Can we further stipulate that the few exceptions to this, such as the Nordhavn yachts, are going to be seven-figure pricey?

Blue Stocking 25-07-2011 15:48

Re: How Safe Are Trawlers in Big Seas ?
 
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Originally Posted by Bash (Post 737373)
The original post specified a monohull trawler in the 40-45' range.

Is it safe, at least, to stipulate that very few built-as-yacht trawlers are going to have the range, ballast, or stabilizing systems necessary for transoceanic passages? Can we further stipulate that the few exceptions to this, such as the Nordhavn yachts, are going to be seven-figure pricey?

Here endeth the first lesson Bash 1.1

markpierce 25-07-2011 15:55

Re: How Safe Are Trawlers in Big Seas ?
 
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Originally Posted by Bash (Post 737373)
The original post specified a monohull trawler in the 40-45' range.

Is it safe, at least, to stipulate that very few built-as-yacht trawlers are going to have the range, ballast, or stabilizing systems necessary for transoceanic passages? Can we further stipulate that the few exceptions to this, such as the Nordhavn yachts, are going to be seven-figure pricey?

Seahorse Marine offers several open-ocean trawlers for under a million dollars.


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