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Paolaa 29-09-2010 14:48

US Customs Wants to Keep My Boat Registry Papers
 
Hello, maybe you can help me about this issue.
I am a tourist.
Last year in november i obtain my cruising permit for 1 year in west palm beach
I went to Bahamas . I returned 3 weeks ago. Last week i went to make another permit. They told that it was not posible because..
Under Customs policy, when a foreign flag vessel's cruising license expires, that vessel may not be issued another license until the following three conditions have been met: (1) the vessel leaves the US for a foreign port or place, and (2) it returns from that foreign port or place, and (3) at least 15 days have elapsed since the previous license expired. (Customs Directive 3100-06, November 7, 1988.)

I understand that.
The thing that I do not understand is that they asked me to leave my boat registry papers to them till I leave the country.
I wanted to find anything about this procedure on internet but I could not find anything.
Have you heard about this
Thanks

boatman61 29-09-2010 15:04

Maybe they're worried you'll disappear into the swamps or up the ICW to become yet another illegal immigrant.... Homeland Security:whistling:

Vasco 29-09-2010 15:21

Don't know why they kept your papers. Your cruising permit is good till November. Have you told us all the relevant facts? Maybe they're afraid you're not going to leave.

goboatingnow 30-09-2010 03:06

THere is nothing worse on this planet then US bureaucracy when it gets going

Dave

Healer52 30-09-2010 06:31

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Originally Posted by goboatingnow (Post 530825)
THere is nothing worse on this planet then US bureaucracy when it gets going

Dave


US bureaucracy is amateurish compared to most places in the world. Think the US is bad? Try Germany or France. Or any place in S. America (bureaucracy and a little corruption on the side). In Africa, it's bureaucracy and a LOT of corruption. Canada (we just bought a townhouse in Ottawa)? Ha! 300K people in this town, and 1.1 million 'by-laws' with 20k taxpayer-supported drones enforcing them.

Southern Star 30-09-2010 11:42

"1.1 million by-laws with 20k taxpayer-supported drones enforcing them" ???? What is your basis for saying that there are 20,000 by-law enforcement agents in Ottawa? In any event, I suspect that Canada's capital and the home to its Parliament, the Supreme Court of Canada, the Federal Court of Canada, various government ministries as well as a multitude of foreign embassies, etc., does have more issues to address than say, your home town in Montana. I am not saying that the Canadian bureaucracy is any less frustrating than anywhere else, but if you were to pick a place in Canada that is overrun by beauracrats, you picked it.

Brad

Healer52 30-09-2010 12:10

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Originally Posted by Southern Star (Post 531131)
"1.1 million by-laws with 20k taxpayer-supported drones enforcing them" ???? What is your basis for saying that there are 20,000 by-law enforcement agents in Ottawa? In any event, I suspect that Canada's capital and the home to its Parliament, the Supreme Court of Canada, the Federal Court of Canada, various government ministries as well as a multitude of foreign embassies, etc., does have more issues to address than say, your home town in Montana. I am not saying that the Canadian bureaucracy is any less frustrating than anywhere else, but if you were to pick a place in Canada that is overrun by beauracrats, you picked it.

Brad

Not just bylaw enforcement officers: All the city/provincial employees that meddle and don't produce. A city government that doesn't seem to be able to make many decisions without hiring outside 'consultants'? What does the city pay them for?

I've purchased many homes, in bigger and smaller places than Ottawa, in other countries, and I've NEVER had as much BS to jump through trying to enhance the economy.....

And I wouldn't be surprised if the entire state of Montana (with more people than Ottawa) has fewer taxpayer supported employees. I know that per-capita Kalispell has fewer :) and we get by just fine.

sailingaway221 30-09-2010 13:02

Go and ask someone to explain what happened slowly...... ? They should not have your papers... how else will you leave?

Shrew 30-09-2010 13:25

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Originally Posted by sailingaway221 (Post 531182)
Go and ask someone to explain what happened slowly...... ? They should not have your papers... how else will you leave?

I think the keys here are:

A) Last year in November I obtain my cruising permit for 1 year in west palm beach.

B) Under Customs policy, when a foreign flag vessel's cruising license expires, that vessel may not be issued another license until the following three conditions have been met:

(1) the vessel leaves the US for a foreign port or place, and
(2) it returns from that foreign port or place, and
(3) at least 15 days have elapsed since the previous license expired.

C) They asked me to leave my boat registry papers to them till I leave the country.

IT doesn't sound like they are refusing to give you your papers back. They aren't forcing you to stay. It sounds like they are only going to hold the papers for the duration of the stay and you will be given them back when you leave the country again. I also suspect this is to ensure you don't attempt to become an illegal alien.
It also looks like they'd be able to issue a new permit after the 15 day expiration date following the expiration of the existing permit in November of 2010.

Vasco 30-09-2010 13:36

The point I don't understand is them holding his boat papers. With the cruising permit he's free to cruise the US (albeit reporting in every port by phone). How can he move around if they have his boat registration papers? Something doesn't add up here.

zopi 30-09-2010 14:06

Nahh..wouldn't leave the papers with them...you get stopped by the CG and you tell them, what? Go talk to Customs...right..something isn't right..

John A 30-09-2010 14:16

I agree with Vasco, we're missing a piece of information.
Keeping your documentation of ownership is a form of impounding your boat.

How can he prove ownership if Customs is holding his boat registration?
How could he move his boat from place to place in the US without proof of ownership?
What if he went to Canada? Or left the US from somewhere other than West Palm Beach.

rebel heart 30-09-2010 14:16

Yeah I'll take the US government bureaucracy over that of other nations. Go talk to the guys down in Mexico that just got their homes bulldozed. They went to the governor with their land deeds in hand and the governor said there was nothing he could do about it. Sure in the US you'll end up in a bureaucratic nightmare but I'll take that over an armored bulldozer smashing my home to the ground supported by private police.

PamlicoTraveler 30-09-2010 14:35

Doesn't sound right. Cruising licenses exempt you from having to undergo formal entry and clearance procedures, like filing manifests and obtaining permits, except when you get here. Your trip to the Bahamas should not be relevant if the license has not expired.

You didn't stop by Cuba on the way, did you? :)

capn_billl 15-10-2010 09:46

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Originally Posted by rebel heart (Post 531229)
Yeah I'll take the US government bureaucracy over that of other nations. Go talk to the guys down in Mexico that just got their homes bulldozed. They went to the governor with their land deeds in hand and the governor said there was nothing he could do about it. Sure in the US you'll end up in a bureaucratic nightmare but I'll take that over an armored bulldozer smashing my home to the ground supported by private police.

Sorry, but that has happened here too. See the TTC "nafta superhighway", emminent domain was approved by the supreme court last year. It doesn't happen here, except when, 1. your house is in the way of a highway, 2. needed for something that produces more taxes, 3. in a coastal boundary, 4. Not compliant with new building codes just passed in secret city council meeting, etc...


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